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October 23 "comprehensive wind turbine report "

Comprehensive wind turbine report

Pension reform,union contracts,health care funding,sewers and the school demolition are big tax expenses for the residents of Portsmouth.

On October 23 at 7:30 PM a 3 hour comprehensive wind turbine report will be introduced to the Town Council and the taxpayers of Portsmouth. We won't know until after the meeting if the report will be another sales pitch on wind turbine repair and a way to spend another one million dollars to repair the wind turbine.

The wind turbine scheme is a financial fiasco ,a political football and a toy with no economic benefit to the town.

The chances of another breakdown after the repairs is just the same as it was three years ago. Repairing the turbine is like "a coin flip".No matter what the three hour long report says the turbine is a high risk venture and a big gamble asking taxpayers to approve another one million dollar bond to repair the turbine!

The town needs to focus on the needs of the taxpayers. The priority should be the pension reforms,union contracts,health care funding, sewage installations and the school demolition.

There are many people who would like to see the turbine spin again but the Town Council has to look at the big picture. Look at the short three year history of the turbine .

The repair of the turbine is not economically feasible and the council shouldn't consider the turbine a priority with what we know today.

Thanks Bill Carson

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J. Lane McMahon November 05, 2012 at 03:43 AM
Bill, I know it is in your character, but just this once, try to not be myoptic. Yes, the town is pursuing other courses of action. But the first step is to take the gearbox down and do a post-mortem on it. You might want to look at the Princeton case a little closer. JaKe only paid for the gearbox, not installation costs. Same deal worked out at Otis AFB.
Bill Carson November 05, 2012 at 10:01 PM
I agree ! Perform a forensic teardown of the failed gearbox. Contact JaKe and get the location world wide of all the 1290 series gear boxes . The National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), a federal agency should quickly research how many failures have occurred since 2008. How many more in the next year ? The design lifetime of the PPSC 1290-A120 gearbox manufactured by Jahnel Kestermann (JaKe) of Germany is twenty years. The gearbox manufacturer out of the goodness of their heart has offered two replacement gearboxes for the significantly discounted price of two for one ? At what point does the town look into class action litigation ? How many cities, towns and contractors in the United States constitute a large group of people who have been injured by a gear box company ?
Lee November 05, 2012 at 11:31 PM
Lets scrap it and move on. This thing is a symbol of our oun vanity and "we know whats right" to everyone who drives by it. The whole state knows how foolish it was for a small town like ours to buy such a mistake, I don't see anybody else doing the same. Everybody likes to watch a train wreck, this time it is us.
Bill Carson November 05, 2012 at 11:52 PM
Over 40,000 cars drive by the turbine everyday ! One gear box company has had over 600 gear box failures. They almost went bankrupt ! Just like the people they sold them to! When a gearbox failure happens, a forensic analysis of the failed components is done by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL). The NREL has data base of the gear box failures .The problem is the public has No access to the data base . The data base should allow us to understand the failure mode and the root cause behind all these gear box failures. Municipalities across the country should have access to the gear box data base. How many cities and towns in the United States bought one or two turbines in the last five years and the gear boxes failed. What company had 600 gear box failures ? The NREL a federal agency has been keeping records of gear box failures since 2007. The wind industry was well aware of the problem when they sold Portsmouth a wind turbine and told them it would last twenty years ! The sales pitch for these turbines is a crime !
J. Lane McMahon November 06, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Actually, No. A distributor of JaKe offered the two gearboxes to us. JaKe did not.
J. Lane McMahon November 06, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Also, I made a little mistake. The gearbox of the Portsmouth WTG is a 1290-A120, it is a slightly re-designed version correct a stuctural housing flaw in the 1290-A118.
pinta1 November 07, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Why don't we hire the now unemployed NASA scientists from the space shuttle to come and re design the thing? Let's throw another 2 million dollars at it. All you Democrats why don't you donate 1/2 your salary to get the thing up and running again? GREEN ENERGY IS MORE COSTLY. WHY DON'T YOU GET THE MATH? Go back to grade school.
pinta1 November 08, 2012 at 02:38 PM
Mr. McMahon, The wind turbine generator was situated next to a water tower, next to a highway.This site is not appropriate due to wind shear and turbulence. Not only will it need a different gear box, we may have to MOVE the thing. Can we put it in your back yard?
J. Lane McMahon November 08, 2012 at 02:43 PM
First and foremost, learn to read. The report clearly stated that the siting was not an issue. Don Roberts said this during the meeting, watch the video. Would I put a WTG in my backyard? Yes, without reservation.
pinta1 November 08, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Mr. McMahon, until Don Roberts performs an actual test it IS AN ISSUE.
J. Lane McMahon November 08, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Well then, I guess it will remain an issue. Don Roberts isn't doing one..I for one, am more than satisfied by Mr. Roberts credentials...Every person in the wind industry said he was the guy to talk to, so, our Town Administrator and Acting Town Planner did. But if you think you know more than him, good for you...I'll stick with the expert, thanks.
Bill Carson November 08, 2012 at 07:11 PM
Don Roberts LLC is the best gear box engineer . He has worked for the National Renewable Energy Laboratory . The NREL is the only federal laboratory dedicated to commercialization and deployment of commercial wind turbines. The NREL has a data base about gear box failures that can not be accessed by the general public .The NREL has known since well before 2005 about the magnitude of the gear boxes failures . If this information had not been hidden from the public back around 2004 Portsmouth would have never bought the turbine. One company that the NREL looked into had over 600 gear box failures . Why hasn't the NREL made this information public ? The report by Don Roberts on page 19 says it will cost negative $401,290 a year if the new gear box last ten years and cost negative $516,137 per year if the new gear box lasts three years. In addition a gear has been changed in most gear boxes brought to the United States since they are all built out of the country . Voltages range between 110 and 240 volts . The world uses 60 Hertz while the US uses 50 Hertz. A gear was changed in the gear box. As I predicted back many months age that the gear box was bad ! TODAY WE KNOW A GEAR WAS CHANGED IN THE GEAR BOX TO CHANGE FROM 60 hertz to 50 hertz. A REPLACEMENT GEARBOX REQUIRES THE SAME CHANGE AGAIN ! Portsmouth Rhode Island Wind Turbine Report : http://www.portsmouthri.com/documents/Turbine_Gearbox.pdf
J. Lane McMahon November 08, 2012 at 07:26 PM
US uses 60Hz, rest of the world uses 50
John ("Anything But Sue") November 08, 2012 at 07:31 PM
J.Lane is correct.
John ("Anything But Sue") November 08, 2012 at 07:34 PM
The Democrats built the turbine. They are now in charge. They want it fixed. They will purchase two replacement gearboxes and FIX the turbine. Totally.
Bill Carson November 08, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Thanks for the correction - But you get the picture ! The gear box company should pay for a new gear box ,labor,crane and lost income . The town shouldn't have to pay anything ! This turbine with all the breakdowns it had over three years should come under the lemon law ! Why didn't the current maintenance contractor pick up the excess microns of metal in the oil ? They never did the test ! TODAY WE KNOW A GEAR WAS CHANGED IN THE GEAR BOX TO CHANGE FROM 50 hertz to 60 hertz. A REPLACEMENT GEARBOX REQUIRES THE SAME CHANGE AGAIN !
J. Lane McMahon November 08, 2012 at 07:45 PM
John, Don't lie. The course of action was laid out at the meeting. the Town Administrator is already working on a public/private partnership.
J. Lane McMahon November 08, 2012 at 07:47 PM
Bill, Sometimes I think you post because you like seeing your name in print. We already talked about this, remember? The town is exploring all avenues with an eye on assigning cause and possible compensation.
Bill Carson November 08, 2012 at 07:59 PM
The public needs an education on the negative side of commercial megawatt wind turbines. The Portsmouth EDC and the Portsmouth Town Council who voted for the turbine only looked at the positive information on wind turbines .All other information they received was viewed as NIMBY or just a bunch of concerned citizens that didn't want to spend three million on a wind turbine . The gear box issues have been going on since before the PEDC ! Why did they overlook the operation and maintenance and the fact you need someone 24/7 to run the turbine ? Check out this short movie kind of looks like what's going on in Portsmouth today .Let's try to educate the public on both sides of commercial wind .It's amazing the turbine sits there today and the public just doesn't want to hear the truth ! They keep listening to the "Old Boy Network " Trailer for movie Windfall : View this and report back to me ! http://firstrunfeatures.com/trailers_windfall.html
John ("Anything But Sue") November 08, 2012 at 08:09 PM
Positive information is Good. Green is Good. Negative information is Bad. Nobody likes Bad. Time to FIX the turbine, We need the turbine up and running so everyone that sees it will know Portsmouth cares about stopping global warming. :)
Bill Carson November 09, 2012 at 01:08 AM
$760,000 to repair the wind turbine? Yes! The town is considering public-private partnership to sell half the town owned turbine and probably lease this property and other locations in town next to residential homes as they already have done. The town voted over a two million dollar bond to buy this turbine and now they are going to give it away ? http://www.scribd.com/doc/59490870/NREL-Gearbox-Reliability-Collaborative-Project-Report-Findings-From-Phase-1-and-Phase-2-Testing See page 10 for gear box failures in 2004 .The Portsmouth EDC did not do "Due Diligence". The information about gear boxes has been around since before 2004. Overall GRC Project "The roots of the GRC project reach back to 2004 when NREL hosted a Drive Train Workshop, atwhich experts discussed the need for improved reliability in drive trains, and, in particular,gearboxes."
J. Lane McMahon November 09, 2012 at 01:32 AM
Ah, the election is finally over. All the normal crackpots are back
John ("Anything But Sue") November 09, 2012 at 01:48 AM
OBVIOUSLY Bill: You are NOT concerned about Global Warming. :) The OLD ( As of this week) Republican town council DID DO Due Diligence. I had the opportunity to read the WHOLE (unpublished ) paper File.. It was THEY that hired Don from Seattle. BTW: It was NOT FREE. It cost $6,000 for his services....and well worth it. You ...AND I.... Now BOTH understand the Turbine must GO......BUT... the NEW Democrat Town Council will repair it. The town will SPEND about $500,000 a year to keep the turbine running.
J. Lane McMahon November 09, 2012 at 02:34 AM
Try again John, It was Gary Crosby and John Klimm that hired Mr. Roberts. Now you and Bill can "Understand" whatever you want, but the your assertions are not supported by fact.
Bill Carson November 09, 2012 at 03:36 AM
Let's both educate the public and counteract the misleading information promulgated by the wind energy industry and local "Old Boy" town network. There are those in town that continue to distort the facts about Wind Energy and its ramifications, environmental, social and economic affects for the Town of Portsmouth and its taxpayers. Let's work together to provide information on industrial wind energy to enable the community and government officials to make informed decisions. The only way to do this is bring the Portsmouth wind turbine to national attention to show the world how a small town in Rhode Island was taken advantage of with the hopes it won't ever happen again. It should be mandatory that this short movie be shown in the public school sysytem : Trailer for movie Windfall : http://firstrunfeatures.com/trailers_windfall.html
J. Lane McMahon November 09, 2012 at 03:51 AM
Bill, Are the Koch Brothers still funding those two websites you promote so much? I heard they we're spending a lot of money on some "other" project...Oh wait, that's right, that one is done.
William F Horan November 18, 2012 at 04:46 AM
The recent negative government report is spot on re Local RI USN deployment of 12 each monster 400 ft + tall WTG along the Defense Highway aka Burma Road on the West side of Aquidneck Island. WTG electrical power cost much more even with government subsidies.. RI General Assembly concluded that this was ill advised and dangerous approach of land based WTG farms here in RI. Rather, the offshore Deep water Wind project was identified as an acceptable alternative for a so called renewable green energy project. Yes, a location off shore away from our very fragile coast line and precious Narragansett Bay. USN must join the ongoing off shore Deep water Wind Project if they are mandated to take on such a costly marginal solution. Clearly 12 each 400 ft tall monster WTG do not belong encroaching on our shore line & along all of our high density Newport, Middletown & Portsmouth West side neighborhoods. WTG technology deployed along our RI fragile shore line is among failed relics of the past. Please see the movie "WindFall" available on netflix on the cable. The USN would be better served in joining the three other Aquidneck Island Communities in addressing the common problem of bloated and out of control electrical utility rates. Yes, rates driven by policy missteps locally and nationally. Today among the solutions is gas turbine generated electrical power in Johnston RI and Tiverton RI along with Summerset MA clean coal is a viable lower cost solution.
Bill Carson November 18, 2012 at 08:43 PM
Where is the correspondence between the following individuals or companies and the Portsmouth EDC ? The PEDC lists thanks to the following all of whom helped the PEDC with the wind turbine study. The officials in Portsmouth say you can find everything on the PEDC website. WHERE IS THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE AGENCIES OR INDIVIDUALS BELOW???? WHAT DID THEY INSTRUCT THE EDC TO DO? Check out who the PEDC wishes to acknowledge the following organizations and individuals for their support and the expertise and generosity of time they provided for the wind turbine installation : The RI Energy Office, especially Commissioner Andy Dzykewicz , University of Massachusetts Renewable Energy Laboratory especially Sally Wright, Jim Sweeney of Sustainable New Energy,Henry DuPont of Lorax Energy, American Wind Energy Association, TrueWinds and The Rhode Island Wind Alliance. reference Page VI : http://www.portsmouthrienergy.com/windstudy.pdf
OldTownie December 06, 2012 at 05:11 PM
Oh no Bill, they are not listening to you! The horror!!!!! http://www2.turnto10.com/news/2012/dec/03/7/wastewater-plant-will-use-wind-power-ar-1262223/
Bill Carson December 07, 2012 at 05:13 PM
A single Furhlander 1.5 MW wind turbine was built at Otis Air Force Base ,Cape Cod ,Massachusetts on December 15, 2009.The turbine has the same kind of gear box as the AAER 1.5 Megawatt turbine built in Portsmouth. Guess what ? They are finding metal in the oil of the gear box and a bearing is going bad. Just like the Town of Portsmouth the Otis AFB people are saying its not a problem. This sounds just like Portsmouth back in January of 2102! Here is a quote from the Otis Air Base which renamed itself Oct 1 : Air Force Civil Engineer Center (AFCEC) "Regarding the FL-1577 gearbox, it HAS NOT failed. We noticed some metal flakes in the gearbox oil this past January and had a borescope inspection done. The inspection showed pitting of the gear teeth caused by pressing the metal flakes between the teeth. The problem component in the gearbox appears to be a bearing. Based on Fuhrlaender's recommendation, we are continuing to run the wind turbine while we work on procuring a new gearbox that has a different/better bearing" I think they need to look what happened in Portsmouth,RI and Princeton ,Massachusetts

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