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The Sunday Political Brunch – Dec. 30, 2012

PROVIDENCE – Well it’s time for a year-end column. It’s been a fascinating year in politics, but I always hear the theme from the old Clint Eastwood movie, “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.” Since this is a nonpartisan column, they’ll be plenty to go around for Democrats and Republicans alike.

The Good:

Election Season is Over – You may not have liked the outcome of the November election, but guess what also ended that day? Robo calls, TV ads and talking-head bickering all ended (well, some of it, anyway). The finality of voting does have benefits! Of course, here in New England we will now have a special election to fill a U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts (which had the nation’s most expensive Senate race in November). So our “vacation” from robo calls and TV and radio ads, will be short-lived.

Split Decision – There was a little something for everyone. Democrats saw Barack Obama reelected President, while Republicans retained an iron grip on the House of Representatives. Yes, it’s kind of a schizophrenic decision by voters, but as we saw in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, a lot can get done during divided government. This is especially true when the President is early in his second term. They don’t have to face voters again and are more willing to make deals. We’ll see if it happens again. The fiscal cliff mess ought to offer an early indication.

The Bad:

The 47 Percent – As always, the worst political wounds are self-inflicted. Mitt Romney’s secretly recorded speech about supporters of President Obama was probably his worst gaffe of the campaign. He said, “There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... My job is not to worry about those people.” A week before the Election Day, Romney and Obama were tied at 47 percent apiece. Obama won the election 50 to 47 percent, essentially winning all of the undecided voters. Note to all politicians: In the modern age, assume everything you say (even in private), is being recorded and can be used against you.

You Didn’t Build That – President Obama also came close to inflicting his own political demise, talking about the role of government in private enterprise. He said, “Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Yes, the government creates roads and bridges that help business thrive and it provides police and fire protection for them, but the takeaway for many from this speech was a clear swipe at American ingenuity, entrepreneurship and risk-taking. It was especially insulting to small business owners. One can’t imagine Obama telling his late friend and supporter Steve Jobs, of Apple, that, “You didn’t build that.” As with Romney’s “47 Percent” speech, Obama’s “You Didn’t Build That” speech became a rallying cry for opponents.

The Ugly:

Benghazi Blunders – Four American employees, including an ambassador, were murdered during a Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya. For days, the official explanation was that protesters were angry over an anti-Muslim video made in the United States. That’s wasn’t true. It was instead, a deliberate and calculated terrorist attack. The fallout cost U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice her chance to be Secretary of State, and questions may hound current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton if she runs for President again in 2016. Four mid-level staffers who botched the security were reassigned. The fallout will carry into 2013 and beyond. The administration gets an F, for an epic failure.

Senate Setback – Republicans had an excellent chance at taking control of the U.S. Senate in November, but completely blew it. Two of the costliest blunders came from Senate candidates and their thoughts on rape. Rep. Todd Akin (R-Missouri) said, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” In Indiana it was Senate candidate Richard Mourdock who opposed abortion even in the case of rape. He said, “I came to realize life is that gift from God. And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen." Not surprising, both men lost seats they had been predicted to win. Grade = F.

As always, leave your questions, comments and opinions at www.MarkCurtisMedia.com

Rags 1

9:51 am on Monday, December 31, 2012

If the Republican politicians had courage and stop trying to preach religion, morals and abortions and leave those issues to the families, churches, and cultural groups, then they would have had some chances based upon reality and fiscal issues. They didn't.
Most Americans like the idea that government should not attempt to build, create or preach religion. Says so in the 1st Amendment. They don't get it like some of the churches don't get it.

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Small Change

8:43 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Mr. Romney's campaign involved exactly zero preaching about religion, morals, or abortion.
The Dems WANTED the campaign to be about that , rather than the economy, unemployment, the deficit, or the business climate, quite understanably.

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Naome Lixes

9:29 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

"The Dems WANTED the campaign to be about that , rather than the economy, unemployment, the deficit, or the business climate, quite understanably."

- Small Change

Right, because THE DEM(ons) wanted an even larger margin than the Republican Sideshow ensured. The arrogance of presuming what other people think is
remarkable - is telepathy one of those NeoCon powers?

NeoCon powers - predicting the past, redefining words to mean their opposite,
outrage over the possibility that somewhere, somehow, somebody is having fun.

Given the outcry over "The absence of GOD in the Democratic Platform" this sounds like sending a fox to count the chickens. Spare us the sanctimony.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dems-remove-all-references-to-god-from-2012-party-platform/

Handicapping a loss is for those determined to remain losers.

Leave RI

10:08 am on Monday, December 31, 2012

The Ugly:
Benghazi Blunders – "four mid level staffers who botched the security were re-assigned "...
and maybe a letter with terse words and some finger shaking. That'll teach em!

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Leave RI

10:14 am on Monday, December 31, 2012

Senate Setback
And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."..
They are now running for a seat in the island nation of Moronica

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Joe Sousa.

11:19 am on Monday, December 31, 2012

The 47 Percent was nothing compared to saying he would cut funding for PBS/ Big Bird. He lost millions of votes with that statement. I thought he won the first debate. Turns out he put his muppet in his mouth.
The Million Puppet March - Collections - Washington Post
articles.washingtonpost.com › Collections › Sesame Street

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Olga Enger

11:35 am on Monday, December 31, 2012

I deleted a comment because calling someone an "idiot" is clearly against the TOS.

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Naome Lixes

12:25 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

Even when it's accurate, or especially because it accurate?

It's not insulting, when the definition is clearly met.
Perhaps if the TOS included deletion of comments that don't meat basic
logical requirements; such as proof, verification and source materials this
would not so frequently happen.

Given that I've been called worse, and it's still posted elsewhere -
there's a wide variance in what is and isn't in the TOS.

Play fair, Olga.

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Leave RI

1:55 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

I agree with Naome on this, Olga. The "insult meter" is not applied across the board equally by the Ed's. I don't know if it's based on an interpretation issue, personal issue or what. Elizabeth McNamara had an issue with someone using "libtard" on a current thread because of a personal family issue. Is it the word itself or is it because it's used in a derogatory..ie: "any idiot can boil water" as opposed to "Leave RI is an idiot" (Naome if you cut and paste that quote you're in the next Phil Steen music video)

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Leave RI

5:12 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

@Robert E..
correct she did not..did someone say she did? I couldn't find it.

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Foxeyroxie15

6:41 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Please, Olga, I rarely post but I was following a different article and not only were the comments offensive but so were some of the screen names!!! I kept reporting them and you folks did nothing. I had to write directly to Mark and ask him to remove them, their outright obscene comments to get anything done ! I hardly think (though I haven't followed this article) that calling someone an "idiot" is against the TOS !!! Go back, read my e-mail to Mark &, although I've stopped following the article since the comments I referred to were finally deleted, I'll bet that article is still there. It was old news then and if it's still on Patch, it's even older and yes, some of the comments are still irrelevant, somewhat offensive. Clean up the old news - it's not on-going instead of worrying about the word "idiot" - I've seen far worse on this site!!!

Naome Lixes

3:04 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

(Naome if you cut and paste that quote you're in the next Phil Steen music video)

- Leave RI
Only if it's a remix of Grandma got run over by a raindeer.
I've got the perfect pair of mocassins for the role...

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Leave RI

10:19 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Naome..
ok..I'll hold this in abeyance, however, if it comes down to all out dirtiness this would be a recourse..can't confirm the narrator but if you listen close to his wife (or whatever) sister+wife you can guess who..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdYom8RKccs

Leave RI

10:41 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

ok good night all..watching Carly Rae Jepsen singing her hit with Taylor Swift

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Naome Lixes

12:47 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Nard -

Your dog looks awesome.

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Nard Glimrod

12:56 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

To quote the hotelier as he addressed Inspector Clouseau: "That's not my dog."

The faux dead husky is a tribute to another famous Patch poster. It's a suggestion/inside joke of sorts, as in "How 'bout playing dead for awhile, Mr. Husky aficionado?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0fZfwHfzo

Robert E

1:25 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Big killers in the US:
Tobacco use 529,000
Medical errors 195,000
Unintentional injuries 118,021
Alcohol abuse 107,400
Motor vehicle accidents 34,485
Drug abuse 25,500
Unintentional falls 24,792
Non-firearm homicides 16,799
Firearm homicides 11,493
#1 weapon used in violent crime is a baseball bat according to the FBI
Sources CDC, FBI

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RI Teabagger

2:30 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

The next thing the progressives will want to outlaw is baseball!

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Naome Lixes

4:36 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

And windows - don't forget the windows.

That's not to say ballpoint pens are undeserving of attention, mind you.
I'm always curious about the "Unintentional injuries" category, the JackAss stats....

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Steve

4:53 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Robert, excellent post!

These numbers should make Naome’s head explode.

She posts 100's of posts against so-called “Gun Nuts” and yet has no clue as to what the major killers are of folks are in the US!

This is the same tact that liberals take all the time! Remember, don’t let a good tragedy, so I can push my own agenda, go to waste right?

Reading her posts looks like she just likes to post to add fuel to any fire that is posted on the Patch.

Also, her constant name calling and overall post gibberish really gets tiresome............

Again, nice post!

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Steve

10:45 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Naome, again with the name calling right?

Just can't help yourself can you..........

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mike westman

7:18 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

The operative word here is intentional........someone wanted to waste the person who was wasted. The rest are accidents or personal choice suicide. Oh....the hospital lobby probably will exert its' power.....just like the NRA

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housewife in EG

7:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Naome is the female Michael Moore. How are people like this created? Scary

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Naome Lixes

8:04 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

@ housewife in EG

How are people like me created? Education, I suppose. Travel beyond our state?
Disgust at the fashionable Fascist trend on the Right? Put it this way, I love my country and I detest what the Tea Party movement has become.

Now go make me a sammich, Bertha.

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Conservative

2:12 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

@ Naome: As part of your education, why don't you look up "Facism". It is not extreme right, as you claim. It is extreme left, as I suspect you are.

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Naome Lixes

7:28 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Those of us that read Orwell see the obvious, and call it what it is...

The Koch family fortune has it's roots in Buchenwald...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-500857

The Bush Presidencies are a legacy of Auschwitz...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/06/10/741048/-A-Need-For-An-Anti-Fascist-Movement-In-The-U-S

It's not a stretch of the imagination to connect the manipulation of White people's fears to home grown terrorism. Anyone with a passing familiarity with Timothy McVeigh and the "sovereign citizens" movement can connect the dots.

These mechanations don't emerge from Socialist movements, on the left.

It's more than a little tiresome to have the loudest, angriest, least curious voices
clanging on about a history they've been spoonfed.

Tell me, Conservative, are you suffering from Fox Geezer Syndrome?

There's no cure, but treatment is simple - turn off the TV.

Calling Fascism a movement from the Left is pure newspeak.

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A Taxpayer

10:03 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Naome Lixes writes, "These mechanations don't emerge from Socialist movements, on the left."

Well, that was good for 5-minute LOL. Tell me again, Naome, how leftists like Bill Ayers never bombed and killed anyone.

Also, I think you meant to write "machinations." Put the online thesaurus away.

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Conservative

11:11 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

@Naome: The Nazi's were the National Solicialists. They discouraged free enterprise and fostered more government control of the average citizens life, for the betterment of the Fatherland. Collectivism at its worst. You spout the same irrational and divisive rhetoric as the Nazis. They demonized the Jews and others. You demonize EVERYONE who disagrees with you. It's exactly people like you that are bringing this country to its knees. You wont be happy until we are all in re-education centers, perhaps run by the Chineese.

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Elizabeth McNamara

1:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Critique the ideas, not the people who deliver them.

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Olga Enger

7:36 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Foxeyroxie15, I didn't delete any of your comments. It could had been deleted by another editor or flagged by users. Everyone, keep it civil and to the topic of the blog. Nobody likes to read a comment thread of slander.

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Chris St Peter

8:00 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Slander Is Spoken Untruths Abouth An Individual. Libel Is Written Untruths.

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Naome Lixes

8:02 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

This is a fraught point in time for Americans, after the Sandy Hook shootings.
If we're running an encounter group, gut feelings are worthy of consideration.

There are already plenty of places where that carries the day.

If instead, we want dispassionate reasoning on political topics - facts matter.
What you're seeing here is resistance to more of the same from those of us
that sat on the sidelines while the most reactionary voices held sway.

Enough of that, already. We want out Country back, starting right here.

It's what we've sunk to, since 2000. It's getting better, but only with some
acrimony from the loudest, most angry and close-minded sources.

It's unfailingly directed at those that dare insist on proof, validation and corroboration - the cornerstones of solid reporting. Plenty of outlets for the other stuff, elsewhere.

If the TOS were actively applied to prohibit:
"anything that contains Content that: * is inaccurate, false or misleading in any way"

You would have a good deal less frustrated badgering of the dimmer bulbs.
Most of us that are ruthless in attacking the usual suspects do so when a pile
of rubbish, gleaned from a conspiracy site is presented as a missive.

It's insulting, and deserves the sort of response it generates.

If you want less of the exasperation, require a logical explanation.

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Naome Lixes

8:12 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

"Libel Is Written Untruths."

I think Libel requires both defamatory intent and a reputation that can suffer loss.
The TOS absolves The Patch from liability. Given the anonymous nature of most
posting, there is little recourse to sue. It's both rarely heard in court, and unlikely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/us/01slapp.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Govstench

8:42 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

libel: 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander, which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue.

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Foxeyroxie15

8:43 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Olga - Pls. read my comment again. I haven't followed this article but I saw that you deleted someone (who must have used the word 'idiot') and you deleted them for that????
You haven't deleted me - I've said nothing!!! I just said that I didn't think the use of 'idiot' violated any TOS.
I suggest you check with Mark re: my e-mail to him and the article involved. It's a grab-bag of garbage and as far as any "flagging" , the article I was reading at the time was full of words far worse than 'idiot' and I kept flagging them. Nobody at Patch paid any attention to that !!! I had to contact Mark via e-mail to get some of the comments removed!
Check with Mark. See if he still has my e-mail. I believe I referenced the article, printed on 12/16 on Patch. I asked not only to delete some of the comments but the actual article - it's "old'' news and worst of all, loaded with "slander" and off-color comments.
Frankly, Patch has lost any value in providing local news. It used to be up-to-date, a place to put in our 2 cents. It's news is old and is little more than a gossip board. Try deleting some of the old junk out there and enforce the TOS - 'idiot' hardly qualifies as vicious or slanderous!

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The Shill

11:23 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

While we encourage people to be honest and post what’s on their mind, communities thrive when people care about each other, and as such, Patch expects all of its users to be respectful of others. This means that whether you are being complimentary or critical, whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with the subject of an article or another user’s comment, you should act in a civil manner and refrain from personal attacks – after all, these are your neighbors. Patch TOS

Foxeyroxie15 calling someone an idiot is a personal attack and is not acting in a civil manner and is a violation of the TOS.

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The Shill

3:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Steve I never said I agreed with TOS or they unfair way it is enforced. Foxeyroxie15 said it wasn't a violation of the TOS I just pointed out that it was. Some people are immune from the moderators I myself have had my account suspended for something I never posted and had to send an email to one of the editors to have it reinstated. As far as Naome goes her account should have been suspended a long time ago all she does is launch personal attacks and tries to stir up trouble.

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Steve

6:23 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Agreed Shill, it's amazing how some posters escape the Patch Editors when it comes to personal deformation.

Oh well, thanks for the response and look forward to some constructive and informative posts in the future......

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Foxeyroxie15

4:40 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

To the Shill - I'd like to point out (again) that I hadn't read the article, had missed the comment that someone was an "idiot". While it's far from being a term of endearment, there are far worse terms/words used on Patch's blogs that would definitely violate any TOS !!! Mark knows the article I was referring to, that I kept flagging the same comments over & over and nothing was done until I e-mailed him personally, demanding that these remarks be removed. If "idiot" violates any TOS, then Patch better close up shop since there are far worse words used on many of these blogs - there have been plain out "cuss words'' used, not only in comments, but as "handles" !!! Yes, I've reported them, too.
As for Olga - apparently she needs a reading comprehension course, I didn't say she deleted my comments. She didn't ! Go back and read what I wrote.
Personally, I hardly think being called an "idiot" is really a big deal - one would have to be pretty thin-skinned to even bother reporting it. I've been called worse and yes, on this blog and others.
Putting in these *^(#%$ doesn't lessen the impact or innuendo. I don't see these being reported. Are they a violation of the TOS??? One could argue the point that they are but they are used all the time, aren't they?
How far does "politically correct" go now?? Let's take the person who was called an "idiot" aand have him/her take the other to court now. Is that how we play today?
Sorry, I'm not a member of the "P.C." party,

LiveLaughLove

9:01 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Seriously? Someone asks you all, in effect, to be respectful...and all you can do is argue over the definition of libel vs. slander? How about this...change the TOS to "Be nice, don't bully, and don't call each other mean names." Thank you, Olga, for trying to do your job. I can see that you have your hands more than full!

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no regr allia b

1:48 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

1. Election Season is Over; Yep nothing much changed same old garbage in garbage out on both sides.

2. Split Decision; As usual though the split is filled with age old politicians who need to resign or retire after the destruction they have wrought for 50 years now.

3. The 47 Percent; Fact that this was even issue shows the Country to be more uninformed than ever.

4. You Didn’t Build That; Probably the most foolish statement ever made by any Sitting President in history trying to say he is a man of the people in one breath and telling them with the other that all they have ever done or will do is because of the Government not their own idea's, hard labor, blood sweat and tears. That was very sad indeed. But not surprising from a narcissist in my opinion.


5. Benghazi Blunders; Would strongly disagree say a blunder in any way shape or form. That is disrespectful to those that were murdered by the terrorist action. Nor is it a blunder to lie and cover up. Considering we still have no answers, the only blunder would be the media not pursuing it en mass.

6. Senate Setback; May be a setback, but probably a good one considering those that dug their own graves are not what I would want in any position of power. Extremes on both sides must be tempered with the voices of reason.

Well that’s my take on this one Mark. Good job on being pithy except for the "Blunder" one ;-}

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Joe Sousa.

6:41 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Person of the Year
Paul Davis Ryan, for his continued effort to stop the enslavement of the next generation. National debt $16.5 trillion National unfunded liability $125 trillion.
Shameful !

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mike westman

7:23 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I see this person of the year on other posts.....come on Joe .....use some creativity.

Ryan would doom the economy for a decade. You do not stop a 60 mph bus with a brick wall.....you guide it until it finds a safe pace.

Govstench

7:43 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

One thing is for sure, we do need term limits in Congress. We have the same tired hacks running the place and they won't step up and deal with the real issues facing this country. The "ole pork barrel" politics simply won't work anymore. We have too much debt and will be strangling ourselves with debt service if these people don't cut the spending - govt is way out of control. RI has the same problem with their budget - $8 Billion for a state this size? - should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately, those on Smith Hill in control have no shame.

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Just Another Taxpayer

9:38 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Stench, I agree we should have term limits placed on our Congressmen and Senators. Then we would see people like Boehner, Cantor, Graham, and McConnell out on their backsides.

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mike westman

7:25 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I have an idea....some of you will wretch a bit....how about an equal representation for the House......each vote represents the same proportional basis as the other. Gerrymandering would suffer and a true representation of the populace would occur.

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Govstench

7:52 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

@JAT: And you can add to that list Pelosi, Hoyer, Feinstein, Boxer, and the list goes on. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen in our lifetime.

Ted Geisel

9:56 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

“Tomorrow you're all going to wake up in a brave new world, a world where the Constitution gets trampled by an army of terrorist clones, created in a stem-cell research lab run by homosexual doctors who sterilize their instruments over burning American flags. Where tax-and-spend Democrats take all your hard-earned money and use it to buy electric cars for National Public Radio, and teach evolution to illegal immigrants. Oh, and everybody's high!”

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Leave RI

10:52 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Oh crap I thought I was the only one who saw that coming. If you add the giant firearm magnet we'd be in sync. --not that N'sync--

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Naome Lixes

12:19 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

I wonder if Mark Smith is booking Santa Claus gigs these days.

2006 was the first time I saw people saying what I had been thinking for awhile,
in public. It was one of the bravest things I've seen on television.

"I am America, and so can you!"

mike westman

1:01 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

By the way.....Happy New Year y'all!

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Elizabeth McNamara

7:37 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

All right everyone – I've made use of the delete button. Just stay on topic and listen to EFM's TOS: be nice. Thanks!

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b kcaj

7:53 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Elizabeth-Speaking of TOS, browse some of the latest posts by Joe Sousa, who has now resorted to the use of profanity. You'll get carpal tunnel syndrome deleting his latest profane posts.

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b kcaj

8:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

How original Joe-You might win a Pulitzer prize for that one.

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MA Transplant

9:06 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

i'm new to the Patch blog and cannot believe that you are all adults.... shameful that adults can't have a constructive "conversation" these days. Elizabeth, thanks.

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Elizabeth McNamara

8:52 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Joe,
I deleted your comment. If you have questions, shoot me an email: elizabeth.mcnamara@patch.com.

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Richard Joslin

3:40 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The Tea Baggers love to call names
Libtard 582 up, 151 down

Libtard n. Portmanteu of "liberal" and "retard". Someone who, intoxicated by being knowlegable and right about politics and economics, forgets that they need to get actual real ordinary people to support them if their agenda is to be advanced. Often but not always rich, well meaning and with good insight to society's problems, but naive about the mechanics of politics and utterly ignorant about how power actually works.
"Them libtards at the Occupy protest are going to get stomped by the riot squad because they're too smelly and weird for ordinary people to support them. Sad really; they're right about pretty much everything but they have really shitty PR."

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