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Workers Struggle to Find 'Specialized' Part for Broken Wind Turbine

The town's wind turbine generator has been motionless for more than a week.

 

Assistant Town Planner Gary Crosby says a hard-to-find "specialized part" for the Portsmouth Wind Turbine Generator has kept the turbine from spinning its blades for more than a week. 

The town's wind turbine, located at Portsmouth High School, has remained motionless since May 10 after an error code alerted town workers to a problem on site. A "pressure sensor" is to blame for the error code, Crosby says. 

"The short story is Lumus believes the fault is in a pressure sensor and they are having difficulty locating a replacement part," Crosby wrote in an e-mail to the Portsmouth Town Council Monday. 

This "highly specialized part" is hard to located, according to the assistant town planner, who has worked as the unofficial, iterim town planner since Robert Gilstein resigned in December. 

However, at first, technicians were unaware the problem was with a sensor. 

"When the error message first appeared a week ago Thursday, Lumus did what they usually do by downloading and transmitting data recorded a few minutes before and after the moment of the fault to Windtec in Austria for their analysis and recommended repair protocols," Crosby writes. 

"Windtec examined the data and suggested the error was in a switch in circuitry having to do with measuring oil pressure in the gearbox. Lumus set about trying to locate a replacement switch and sent their technicians down to work [on] the problem. As it turns out, there was no 'switch' in the circuitry for Lumus to find."

The previous company, AAER, installed an instrumentation package unbeknownst to Windtec. "So Lumus/Windtec was hunting around for something that did not exist," Crosby writes. "...Lumus was able to locate the pressure sensor itself and determine that it was faulty."

Lumus' employees contacted two distributors in New England, both of which did not have this special part. Lumus also contacted Hydac distributors in Germany, Canada and Illinois. 

"The good news – the Hydac distributor in Illinois has 40 of ‘em. The bad news – they are all spoken for," said the assistant town planner. 

However, the Illinois distributor is working to "see if he/she can contact one of the entities who has the 40 sensors locked up, to spring one of them loose for us," Crosby said. 

The part is expected to cost between $100 and $200, according to Crosby.

"Rest assured, Lumus, Windtec and I are doing everything in our power to speed this process along," he said. 

"It is small consolation I know, but the next time we are expected to have any winds above 8 mph for any appreciable length of time is Thursday afternoon at the earliest. If we have to miss out on production time, at least we are missing out during a period of low winds.

"I know there is a great deal of rhetoric flying about regarding the wind turbine these days. As many of you know, I am more that forthcoming about the turbine when asked (to a fault, some might say). Please, please, please, if you have any questions at all about the turbine pick up the phone and call me. I am more than happy to talk to anyone about it and always ready to explain the details. Just ask."

The phone number for the Town Planning Department is (401) 643-0332. 

Related Topics: Portsmouth wind turbines

East side

8:39 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Take this down already, please!!

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a resident with a watchful eye

8:46 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

ok, so there are obviously problems with the turbine, but why East side are you ALWAYS so negative about this town. ALL you do is complain about EVERYTHING. geez, get a life will ya!

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East side

9:58 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I flag your comment as inappropriate. My opinion stands, this windmill was a waste of money and continues to be. Bite the bullet and sell it now.

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Sandy McGee

10:07 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Does anyone else find this comment inappropriate?

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Portsmouth Citizen

11:21 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Sandy: No, the comment is fine. A little personal maybe, but the comment reflects a very common opinion about the posts of "east side" which I hear people say as I go about town. Always negative, never constructive. If it were me I might have left out the "geez, get a life will ya" part.

I think you should only take down comments that someone marks with "flag as inappropriate" when the comment crosses a certain line, and I just don't see that here.

Steve

9:18 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

It is Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 9:00 am and once again shrouded in mist, the wind turbine stands idle for yet another day.

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Bill Carson

10:19 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

The Town of Portsmouth should have leased the land to a private wind turbine contractor and shared the profits and renewable energy credits .This was proposed prior to the installation and purchase of the present bankrupt AAER wind turbine. The AAER wind turbine company was listed as a penny stock company on the Canadian stock exchange when Portsmouth bought this turbine -it was and still is a big gamble to save a" few bucks" during installation .The town made the choice to go the project alone. The private contractor would be responsible for the service and replacement of major parts today . .It's too bad the town did not listen to the contractor .The contractor had two Vestas V 82 type turbines of the 1.65 MW class at a bargain price . The Vestas turbine was the way to go. The Abbey made the right choice. That's the difference between private and public ventures. It makes you wonder why the town made the choice to go this fiasco alone ?
Here is the letter presented to the town back in 2007 - Should have listened ?

http://portsmouthrienergy.com/E2.pdf

E. Third party developer proposal

8-17-07

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marina peterson

11:54 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I agree Bill. This is exactly why many of us are so vociferous against the passing of the East Bay Energy Consortium Act! It is a great concept... but belongs in the private sector!!

too smart to live in portsmouth

10:37 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

i do not find it inappropriate, but then again i am to smart to live in portsmouth

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East side

12:40 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

How about a compromise - adding a new flag "my feelings are hurt"

Robert E

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

"When the error message first appeared a week ago Thursday, Lumus did what they usually do by downloading and transmitting data recorded a few minutes before and after the moment of the fault to Windtec in Austria for their analysis and recommended repair protocols," Crosby writes.
Why did we hire a company that knows nothing about our turbine and no wonder it takes weeks to repair. I have been an industial machinist for over 20 years and if I had an outside vender come in and they had to keep calling someone else to find a problem I would be kicking their butts out of my plant and they would never touch my equipment again. The turbine is not the only thing broken in town Crosby's callender does not work also. May10-May22 is more then a week and $100-$200 is more then a couple of bucks. First you say
"Windtec examined the data and suggested the error was in a switch in circuitry having to do with measuring oil pressure in the gearbox. Lumus set about trying to locate a replacement switch and sent their technicians down to work [on] the problem. As it turns out, there was no 'switch' in the circuitry for Lumus to find."
How inept are these people we have working on the turbine I would be worried they would dammage more then they fix.

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Robert E

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

"I am more that forthcoming about the turbine when asked " Why do we have to ask you work for us and should be keeping us informed when there is a problem not keeping quiet and hoping we won't ask. If I had not e-mailed Sandy over a week ago we would not have herd a word from the town. it is these information blackouts the upest us the most.

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J. Lane McMahon

11:56 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

What information "Blackout"? Do you want Gary to drive to your house everyday and personally inform you?
You say you want information. Have you EVER contacted Crosby and asked him a question about the turbine? Whether or not the Daily News, or Patch or any other media outlet chooses to report on the opertion of the turbine is not Crosby's fault.

old timer

12:23 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Robert E. - J. Lane is right. Mr. Crosby has no more obligation to constantly inform the general public of the status of the turbine when there is a malfunction than the Public Works Director has to inform us a dumptruck is in for repair or the Police Chief has to issue a press release when a cruiser fails to start. If you have a question just ask. Whenever I have asked Mr. Crosby for information on the turbine or any other issue he has proven knowledgeable and willing to provide the information he has or if he doesn't have it available he makes every effort to obtain it. Your blatant attempts to create the perception that there is some large scale conspiracy or cover up dissuades me from taking any of your other comments seriously. There may be some good points mixed in with all the hysterics but it's really not worth the effort to try to separate the wheat from the chaff. You do yourself a disservice.

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East side

12:43 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

The issue is that a police cruiser is going to need repairs and is part of the budget. The windmill is now a representation of Portsmouth as it was on a national TV episode. In addition, this gets visability. If it does not turn as a windmill should, people are going to ask questions. The cost for repairs is a major question. My recommendation is to sell it and get the town out of this mess. Use the cost savings to repair roads, etc.

Robert E

12:56 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

If we were paying $3 million for a cruser or dump truck yes I would expect them to tell us .Would you rather feild 20 or 30 phone calls a day from people asking about the turbine or would you rather make 1 phone call to the patch and give them the information to publish.

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old timer

3:11 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I am sure if Mr. Crosby were receiving 20 to 30 calls per day he would issue a press release on the town website or Patch or some other mass media. There are a lot of posts on this article but only a limited number of people posting. Evidently he is not getting a lot of calls. If you have some solid information he is not returning or is avoiding calls than an accusation of information blackout is warranted but so far no support for it. And East Side the town knew the turbine would need repairs just like police cars and they have been paid for out of the turbine enterprise fund (its budget) just like cruisers are repaired out of the PPD budget and the enterprise fund has always returned a profit. I understand that profit will be significantly less this year for a number of reasons having nothing to do with down time but until the expenses exceed revenue it cannot fairly be called a "failed project" as some on this site insist on characterizing it. It is highly visible and it is not working and I agree people should ask questions but the point was Robert E. was not asking Mr. Crosby questions, yet claiming information was being withheld. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion on the value or wisdom of the turbine project but unsupported accusations of cover up serve no public purpose

Bill Carson

1:21 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

The Portsmouth wind turbine is a 100% community project. The community is the stakeholder of the turbine. Stakeholders are defined as residents who may affect a decision or activity about the wind turbine problems. The stakeholders also include statutory regulatory agencies.

We all see police arrest and fire department calls in the newspaper. Why not the amount of times the wind turbine fails? Recent news stories point to spending 24/7 pushing a reset button on the turbine since it was installed.

It is freedom of speech to be able to express information about a situation that may be of general interest to everyone in Portsmouth. The concern here is that if the general public was aware of how many times this turbine has failed it would bring way too much attention to a failed public project. These projects belong in the hands of private enterprise.

Please post all breakdowns on the town website or Portsmouth Economic Development Committee (PEDC) page . This will resolve reporting issues. The knowlege of one is the knowledge of all !

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Island Porkrunner

3:09 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

In response I offer a quote that came out today from Larry Page, CEO of Google , "It’s a well known fact that people tend to overestimate the impact technology will have in the short term, but underestimate its significance in the longer term." You conclude that the project has failed. Yes being out of commission since May10th sounds ridiculous and may have a major impact on its profitability. But does single data point mean it's a failed public project? I doubt it and it seems like short-term politically motivated thinking when this is something that is a multi-year, multi-decade project, is it not?

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J. Lane McMahon

4:00 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Bill,
Your right. It is a 100% community project.
Now I'll ask you a straight up question. What community do you live in? If it's not Portsmouth, then I have to wonder what your motivation is in this conversation.

Home Ports

2:51 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Why is the job of the Town Planning Dept. to oversee this the windmill? It would seem more in the domain of the Dept. of Public Works.

Can you imagine a bunch of turbines with similar maintenance issues located in the middle of Nantucket Sound in the wintertime? Who ya' gonna call?

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Island Porkrunner

3:10 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

who do you call when a buoy stops working? or a GPS satellite?

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Home Ports

3:25 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Never thought of the US Coast Guard or NASA. Thanks.

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Robert E

3:43 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

When a GPS satellite stops working you call a satellite manufacturer to build a new one because without a shuttle there is no way to fix it. I have never seen a buoy stop working the USCG stays on top of maintenance so that they dont fail.

TAMORI

3:39 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

While we’re on the topic of wind turbine maintenance…If you do and internet search for “wind turbine blade lifespan” you find that the general consensus is 20-25 years. I’m sure that replacement isn’t cheap. I suppose other components will require maintenance/replacement too. That’s a major re-construction. And, not only will those components have to be replaced; the old blades will have to be disposed of. Depending on what they’re made of, the town may have to pay for disposition. Our wind turbine went online in 2009. So, that gives us less than 17 years to figure out how all that is going to happen. It’s probably not too soon, lest we end up with an unsightly, non-working monstrosity. Start chatting with your grade-schoolers about this. They’ll be the voters and town administrators when the time rolls around.

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Bill Carson

8:31 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

The AAER, A-1500, a 1.5 MW three-blade wind turbine is equipped with full span pitch control and a transmission system. Several AAER 1.5 MW turbines were installed and field tested with a special gear box oil sensor. The sensor detects metal in the gear box from excessive wear. Does anyone know the name of the part they are looking for ? Maybe the public could help get the turbine going again.

http://www.windpower-renewable-solutions.com/PDFs/Products/MetalSCAN.pdf

Portsmouth should upgrade to MetalSCAN technology if it hasn't already done so. This sensor is designed specifically for the wind turbine gearbox application that provides reliable damage indication (no false alarms & no missed indicators)

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Rev. Shaw Moore

1:45 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The wind turbine is the "Solyndra" of the Town of Portsmouth. Another failed Green Energy project. Google "abandoned windfarms" and see what the future holds for wind driven energy. Pig meet poke. Poke, pig.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

3:30 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I Googled "abandoned windfarms". It was eye opening. Page after page after page of the SAME STORY about the 37 abandoned wind turbines at South Point in Hawaii. Those turbines are the same size as the Hodges windmill except they are OLD technology. What do you do when your automobile gets old and just plain wears out..?? You scrap it and get a new one with the Latest Technology I'll bet. How many Cell Phones have you thrown in the drawer to be replaced with the Latest Tech.??

Below is a link that might explain how if you repeat the same story enough about the same 37 windmills in Hawaii, it eventually becomes legend.

http://www.wind-works.org/LargeTurbines/DebunkingAnti-WindMythof14000AbandonedWindTurbinesinCalifornia.html

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Rev. Shaw Moore

3:45 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

your google must be inferior to mine. Here is ONE article on thousands of wind turbines abandoned in CA alone. http://www.naturalnews.com/034234_wind_turbines_abandoned.html
It was one article of many. Sorry if the truth doesnt fit the Green Energy narrative. Oh look, another one. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35547-14-000-Abandoned--Wind-Turbines--Across-The-US..-. You should invest in a better google.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

4:12 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I read a few of those California stories when I Googled, as you suggested those who might be interested. do previously. The California stories are ALL the SAME (single) Story...Re-Cycled again...just like the Hawaii story. Don't ya hate it when this happens...?

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Robert E

5:01 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

John why in your first comment did you claim that when you googled the only thing that came up was the same story about Hawaii 37 times but when someone called you on it you said you read those stories and they were the same multiple times but in the first post you dident say two stories multiple times. how many other links where there that you just glossed over how can we beleve anything you post when you are caught in a bold face lie. Don't ya hate it when this happens...?

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Rev. Shaw Moore

6:02 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Ok, so there is more thn one iteration of the story about the FOURTEEN THOUSAND decaying wind turbines around the country. When I was in school, 14,000 was way more than 37. Green energy is a pipe dream not to mention a rabbit hole sucking millions of dollars a year for very little return.

nun

4:34 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

While this is the second time the Portsmouth turbine has been down longer than it should be, I think it's a little early to tag the project as a failure. Some adjustments should be made so maintenance can be done more quickly and efficiently but that doesn't mean we need to put it on eBay.

Since both delays in repairs have been due to difficulty in locating spare parts, I think we should explore a better system for ordering parts and/or a plan to keep some spare parts on hand.

Or as some advise, we can solve the problem by tearing it down and replacing it with a fresh pile of coal.

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Robert E

4:51 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Nun I think the big problem is The Flying Monkey Turbine Repair Co. that we hired to work on the turbine it's no wonder they can't find the part they were looking for a part that did not exist. Any repair company worth their salt would be able to adapt a different sensor to do the same job but these people can't fix anything without someone in Germany telling them how to fix it. I have delt with companies like this before they hire inexperienced people off the street with no knowledge of what they are working on. I had one company send a former fence installer to fix a printing press because they had no one else to send and he caused more dammage then the part he was trying to fix.

John ("Anything But Sue")

7:38 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

A lot of Whacky posts here.. I would normally respond.........BUT You can't respond to incoherence.

I'm going to give this a shot: Some of you People seem to think I'm a GREENIE. In fact I am in favor of Nuclear, Coal, and Oil for power generation.Real Life: Wind has to be on the bottom of my list of REAL Life energy generation.

I am a retired mechanical engineer. I LIKE Machines that WORK. If they can pay for themselves..I am in Favor of Wind Turbines..

BTW: For you Liberal Arts Grads.....I feel that A Large Wind Turbine is a Sculpture in Motion. A combination of Engineering and Art......What say you..??

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Bill Carson

8:56 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

How much damage has been done to the turbine as a result of under qualified people working on the turbine ? Two items here :

A.The state of Rhode Island through the Dept. of Labor and Training requires a professional license to do electrical, data and mechanical work on this turbine. Who is checking the local politicians and technicians license requirements on this turbine? Are these people liscensed ?

B. The sensor on the wind turbine may cost less than $200.00. The sensor in question could have been shutting down the turbine as there was to much metal in the gear box oil . These sensors shine a light through the oil and count the particles sending a 24 volt charge to the main frame. The question now is how much damage was done to the turbine from pushing the reset button over a long period of time. The reset issue should have been addressed long ago. Bad oil takes years off the short life of a gear box.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/369/wind-turbine-gearboxes-oil

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John ("Anything But Sue")

11:31 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

The sensor in question was an Oil Pressure sensor. Particles in the oil are taken care of by Oil Filters as the oil circulates......Just like in your car.

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Robert E

12:28 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

John as an engineer you should know that the purpose of an oil filter is to remove dirt not metal particles a properly lubricated machine should have no metal particles in the oil. Metal particles in the oil is a symtom of a more serious problem that needs to be addressed immediately or will lead to catastrophic failure. Just like in your car metal in the crankcase will require total rebuild before it fails.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

1:03 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

As a machine wears...ie normal wear, small metalic particles are carried into the oil, which will be filtered out by the oil filters. Detergent oil, contains compounds designed to keep the contamints in suspension in the oil so they can be filtered out. There are also compounds designed to keep the oil from "Foaming' which is particularly important where GEARS are concerned.

Normally there is a magnetic pickup in the "crankcase" that picks up larger metalic particles that may not get up into the flow path of the oil. In your automobile, there is actually a Magnet on the inside face of your oil drain plug to pick up metal particles.

I'm not familiar with the oil system in the Turbine Gearcase. I'll take a guess and say it's probably a "Dry Sump" with a seperate oil tank. During an oil change, I would expect there would also be an access plate somewhere on the tank to allow inspection of the inside of the tank for particles, chips, etc.

Without engineering drawings and lube circuit drawings, it's all speculation.

John ("Anything But Sue")

2:53 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Speaking of "Circuits"....

".AAER, installed an instrumentation package unbeknownst to Windtec".

Usually, with a project like this, the builder or manufacturer will include an "AS BUILT" set of Drawings, Circuit diagrams, and Manuals at the end of the build. I guess they forgot .....and nobody though to ASK..

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Robert E

3:03 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Or nobody bothered to look at them it sounds like everytime there is a problem they send the problem to Germany to find out what to do. The company in Germany would not have "AS BUILT" set of Drawings, Circuit diagrams, and Manuals the town would or they would be stored on site.

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John ("Anything But Sue")

7:50 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

NOT Sure: But it looks like there was no Engineering entity representing (looking out for) the town. OR..AAER was already bankrupt and there was no incentive to provide "As Built" drawings. In real life "As Built " drawings quite often go unfullfilled....You need engineers to follow up..

Even though they give it a shot....probably in good faith....Polititions or political appointees are not qualified to do this unless they have an engineering degree. Usually not the case.

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Bill Carson

8:13 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

It would have been a simple task in the last three years to contact the U.S. Marine Corps Logistics Base in Barstow, California. The only other AAER 1.5 MW A-1500 was installed in this location prior to Portsmouth . The schematics and manuals are probably at the base.

Proprietary information, also known as a trade secret may not have been public back in 2007 but enough time has passed to get the information from the military base.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1396373/aaer_to_deliver_wind_turbine_to_the_us_marine_corps/

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Bill Carson

9:41 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

Sky Power Corp., Canada’s leading independent renewable energy company, awarded SGS Wind Energy Services the contract for Technical Due Diligence on the Fuhrländer 1.5 MW wind turbine technology. Same as AAER 1.5 .This company SGC should have all the specifications for the AAER turbine at the high school Aug 26, 2009 -
As minor failure can cause unacceptable down time and loss
AAER Wind Energy have partnered with Fuhrländer to manufacture the Fuhrländer 1.5 MW wind turbine on a license in Canada. Canada’s leading independent renewable energy company awarded the contract to SGS .
The Technical Due Diligence process was performed in three sequenced steps.

Phase I – Design Basis and Wind Turbine Evaluation

Phase II – Contract and Specifications Review

Phase III – Process quality audit of suppliers

Upon conclusion of each individual Phase, SGS reported on the outcome of the Technical Due Diligence process to Sky Power Corp. The final result was summarized in a risk assessment matrix and an action list enabling SkyPower to plan further steps in negotiation with AAER.

http://www.prlog.org/10321966-technical-due-diligence-on-wind-turbines.html

Bill Carson

7:38 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Gearbox failures account for the largest amount of down time, and the highest priced piece of equipment in a wind turbine to replace, up to $500,000.00.

For wind turbine owners, this makes wind turbine gearbox maintenance a very high priority. This is why it is vital that oil changes for wind turbine gearboxes be done the right way with the right equipment.

The AAER 1.5 MW turbine bought by the town does have a sensor that detects too much metalic particles in the oil . Only this one and the one at the Marine base in California were equipted with this sensor. The same type of sensor is used in all the Vestas V 90 3 MW turbines today.
Pushing the reset button for years on end is careless and reckless. Should have fixed the problem ! Adaptive maintenance changes may have been made to the system to evolve its functionality to changing business needs or technologies. The information and repair logs should be made public

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Bill Carson

8:48 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

One more thought : The 1.5MW Fuhrlander FL MD 77 may be a duplicate of the AAER 1.5 MW in Portsmouth - They were both built around the same time. Many of these turbines were assembled using the same parts only the brand name on the turbine was different .

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John ("Anything But Sue")

3:54 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

IT'S Alive: Drove by the Portsmouth HS Wind Turbine this afternoon. It was running at Full Tilt in a fine southerly breeze. Happy days are here again.

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Island Porkrunner

7:11 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

I walked down Sprague street yesterday and my was it alive! Great sight

John ("Anything But Sue")

7:49 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

TODAY..Wednesday afternoon,, NO Action At ANY of the Wind Turbines in Portsmouth. This is Totally Unacceptable. OH WAIT>>>There was NO WIND. Just Sayin....

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Home Ports

12:59 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Hope that when the report is given at the council meeting about repair costs a simple P & L (profit and loss) statement can be produced as well. This would state what the total expenditures have been compared to the revenue generated. We would then be in a position to know where we stand, then we would be able to make an informed decision as to where we go.

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Bill Carson

1:24 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Need State and Federal probe of wind turbine now !The Town of Portsmouth is in the middle of one of the biggest dog and pony shows going on in the United States today. The Portsmouth Town Council said they were only going to look forward and do their "Due Diligence"! This show has been going on since 2004. How much money has been spent in wind studies, contractors, advisors, bonds etc.

It was pretty clear the Town Council has already decided on the company Jahnel-Kestermann Getriebewerke GmbH or what the Portsmouth Town Council calls "Jake" www.jake-gear.com . Not one of the council members asked what "Jake " actually meant. The only thing bigger than this is the Studio 38 story

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