Question of the Week: Should Rhode Island Decriminalize Marijuana?
Do you think the state should, like its neighbor Massachusetts, decriminalize marijuana? We want to know what you think.
Earlier this week, the Department of Health approved an application by Dr. Seth Bock to open a "compassion center," or medical marijuana center, in Portsmouth. Bock's application was one of only three applications approved in the state.
Bock, who owns and operates the Newport Acupuncture and Wellness Spa in Middletown, intends to open a non-profit medical marijuana center at 200 Highpoint Ave.
Meanwhile, Rep. John Edwards (D-Dist. 70, Tiverton, Portsmouth) is trying again this year to decriminalize possession of up to one ounce of marijuana. The legislation (2011-H5031), which he first introduced last year, would call for civil fines of $150 per occurrence for those who possess small amounts of marijuana.
With all these statewide proposals involving marijuana, we want to know what you think about the issue:
Should the state of Rhode Island decriminalize marijuana? Why or why not?
Tell us in the comment section below!
East side
12:47 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Shameful. Common sense is not being used. Also why is it that a target gets more attention coming to Portsmouth than the pot store? What message will the schools be communicating? The bottom line is that any kind of illegal drug is and has been bad for your health. Common sense says that if it is and or was illegal it is probably not a food thing. I say take the pot store and leave town away from our kids. Also how can this store be located so close to a public facility (the dump) and near by schools? Sont we have a zoning laws for this new type of quasi illegal business?
Kevin Sterling
10:06 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Wow, there was a time when involuntary servitude was legal.
There was a time when dueling was legal.
There was a time when women weren't allowed to vote.
There was a time when women weren't allowed to own real property.
There was a time when people were sent to concentration camps for no reason other than their ancestors came from Japan.
There was a time when black people had to ride on the back of the bus.
There was a time when signing the Declaration of Independence was high treason against the crown.
There was a time when drinking alcohol was illegal to produce or distribute.
There is no common sense whatsoever in equating the law with being right or wrong, or evidence that what is criminalized by the law is unsafe.
Do the schools "communicate" that drinking alcohol and tobacco are "good things" because they're legal for adults?
Your position is absurd and not grounded in reality.
Historicus
1:14 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Drug prohibition creates an unregulated, violent environment in which children are recruited to sell drugs.
Admit cannabis legally, and users of deadly, not just "bad for your health" legal intoxicants, medications and devices used for self medicating (cigarettes) might switch.
Send an honest message. Drug War IS crime.
pistachio
1:31 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Marijuana should be treated as alcohol, with regulation instead of criminalization. We know the lessons of alcohol prohibition, yet we haven't been willing to apply them to other substances. Portugal decriminalized all drugs, and has had a decrease in crime and health problems as a result.
The medicinal use of marijuana is a separate issue. The abuse of analgesics, amphetamines, and tranquilizers doesn't stop us from providing these medications to people who need them. Our refusal to allow the sick to relieve their symptoms with the best or safest medication available, even if it happens to be marijuana, is simply cruel.
East side
2:28 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
The form fit and function of the pot shop sends a completely different message than prescribed drugs from a pharmacy. Why can't the chemical pieces of pot be put into a pill form and sold at pharmacies? This way a clear cut difference between street illegal and prescribed legal is easily understood
pistachio
3:29 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
The real problem is that the Federal government has not made marijuana a schedule II substance (one known to have medical value). This complicates research, and prevents marijuana from being managed by the regulatory system that controls prescription drugs. A more effective and predictable medication in pill form would be ideal, but since none is available, people who need marijuana are going to use it in its current form.
Portsmouth Concerned Citizen
3:13 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
It seems that you're one of the few that doesn't understand. There is a clear cut difference now. Where can you go to an established business and by marijana today? It is 50 times easier to pot any day at the high school than it would be from a regulated operation, which this business will be. Let's not mention Heroin and ecstasy, which flow freely at the school too. By the way, selling marijuana for medical purposes is not illeagal.
East side
3:30 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
You need to reread the posts. They are all good arguments for and against the new pot store
Kevin Sterling
10:28 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Your misunderstanding of why there are dispensaries and not "pills" certainly isn't a good argument for anything other than it being a good idea for a person to keep his mouth shut when not in command of even the basics of a subject.
We've been trying to get cannabis rescheduled since 1972. It was almost a quarter century before we moved on to tackling the ignorance State by State. The Federal government does every thing in it's power to keep the medicalization of cannabis from coming to fruition.
The Feds regulate prescriptions, and pharmacies. It is against Federal law to use either in regard to medical cannabis. That's why we have recommendations and dispensaries.
Did you really think after 14 years, 15 States and DC adopting this model that you're the first person to think, wow, why not just treat it like the medicine that it is?
Kevin Sterling
10:30 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Seriously though, what makes you think it appropriate for people other than licensed physicians and accredited scientists to decide what is medicine and what isn't? These decisions are not appropriately made by Know Nothing prohibitionists, and certainly not by political hacks promoting a self serving political agenda.
Your argument is one of form over substance. There is a significant percentage of the population that thinks it's despicable and morally bankrupt to deny patients needed relief because of some kind of perverted belief that there are people so petty that they would have patients suffer because the stop gap measures that have been developed to get them their medicine is not up to your scientifically ignorant notion of medicines.
Before 2004 the FDA had never approved a medical device that was either a necrotic flesh eating insect larvae or a blood sucking worm. Would y0u really argue that in 2003 that leeches and maggots had no medical use?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/magazine/11ideas_section2-14.html
Kevin Sterling
10:34 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
The evidence of cannabis medical utility is overwhelming. Just ask the Iowa Board of Pharmacy. They voted 6-0 to recognize cannabis as a valid medicine. Please remember when you ask them that they refused to hear the rescheduling petition when it was filed in 2008, and had to be sued, court ordered, and dragged kicking and screaming to the table to consider it. Which resulted in their 6-0 vote for recognizing cannabis as medicine.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2010/feb/18/iowa_board_pharmacy_recommends_m
The Oregon BoP concurs:
http://www.oregon.gov/Pharmacy/Imports/News/June2010PressReleaseMarijuana.pdf
These attitudes coming out of Rhode Island are particularly mind boggling because the RI legislature overrode two vetoes from your Know Nothing prohibitionist Governor. Would you have us believe that your legislature has a significant super majority of potheads? Do you really think it reasonable to claim their decision wasn't grounded in the overwhelming pile of evidence?
Scott
3:41 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
1.) Due to prohibition, kids can get pot in school right now, and for the last 50 years its been that way. Drug dealers don't card.
2.) You don't see Mexicans crossing the border with kegs of beer on their back, because there is no black market and no profit in it.
3.) Bootleggers only sell Whiskey, because pound for pound it makes the most money. You can't buy low TCH marijuana because the free market is being suppressed.
4.) Billions of dollars in revenue in the US are going overseas with no taxation and no tariffs. Interesting way to dispense charity...
5.) Laws against marijuana have tried to stop its use for 80+ years. It has not worked at all. The evidence is right before us all. This just drives the price up and turns hardworking people into criminals.
See what this California judge has to say about the issue; He dealt with this in court for many years and knows the issue as few people can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDKarCeC_Ic
Kevin Sterling
10:37 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
You haven't had a chance to experience Mexican bunk weed, have you?
The first State law criminalizing cannabis will be 98 years old this year. California, 1913, to get rid of the Mexicans. Sheesh, the Know Nothings can't even get racism right. The last I checked California had Mexicans coming out of its ears.
Joe Sousa.
6:20 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Freedom is the ability to live your life as you chose. If people could grow their own in their homes the mob would not have these dollars in their pocket. Prohibitions and excessive tax create black markets. As a government we try to regulate peoples lives with laws that serve no beneficial purpose .
I look it as a libertarian. The choice should be up to the individual. If you drive drunk or high on drugs that is where you cross the line .What you do in your home is your choice alone.
Kevin Sterling
10:57 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
In 2009 the AMA passed a resolution promoting the investigation of cannabis as a valid medicine:
"The AMA adopted a new policy urging the US federal government to "review" marijuana's status in Schedule I vs. "retain" it in Schedule I as the AMA had formerly recommended. The new policy stated:
"Our AMA urges that marijuana's status as a federal Schedule I controlled substance be reviewed with the goal of facilitating the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines, and alternate delivery methods. This should not be viewed as an endorsement of state-based medical cannabis programs, the legalization of marijuana, or that scientific evidence on the therapeutic use of cannabis meets the current standards for a prescription drug product."
William sherman
9:34 pm on Thursday, June 9, 2011
It is interesting that this "Nunya" seems to show up on many town patch sites as a proponent of pot. Either he or she will benefit from selling the stuff, until it is taxed out of existance, or he or she doesn't realize that any substance inhaled into the lungs for a period of time has some very serious complications. Why a "scrubbers" on industrial plants. Exhaust convertors on cars, ozone alerts? There was a time that doctors were used in ad's on tv saying that smoking did not hurt you! It took time, a long time, for us to learn it did. Just wait a while, if the pot stuff is made legal, there will be a time and place where we will be paying for the hospital bills of another type of addict who thought something did not hurt them . In the meantime "Nunya" can tell you how to avoid being detected using pot, washing urine was mentioned. so he/she must be a pro at this, but apparently not on future consequeces to your lungs.
Kevin Sterling
10:58 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Lester Grinspoon, MD, Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, wrote in an Aug. 17, 2003 article published in the Boston Globe:
"Doctors and nurses have seen that for many patients, cannabis is more useful, less toxic, and less expensive than the conventional medicines prescribed for diverse syndromes and symptoms, including multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease, migraine headaches, severe nausea and vomiting, convulsive disorders, the AIDS wasting syndrome, chronic pain, and many others."
Aug. 17, 2003 - Lester Grinspoon, MD
Kevin Sterling
10:59 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Kate Scannell, MD, Co-Director of the Northern California Ethics Department at Kaiser Permanente and author of Death of the Good Doctor, wrote in an article published in the San Francisco Chronicle on Feb. 16, 2003:
"From working with AIDS and cancer patients, I repeatedly saw how marijuana could ameliorate a patient's debilitating fatigue, restore appetite, diminish pain, remedy nausea, cure vomiting and curtail down-to-the-bone weight loss."
Dr. Scannell concluded by noting:
"...almost every sick and dying patient I've ever known who's tried medical marijuana experienced a kinder death."
Kevin Sterling
11:00 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Andrew Weil, MD, Director of Integrative Medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, stated in a June 6, 2002 article published in the San Francisco Chronicle:
"Like all medicines, marijuana has its drawbacks, particularly in smoked form. It is not a panacea. I support research into safer delivery systems such as low-temperature vaporizers or inhalers, which offer the fast action of inhaled medicine without the irritants found in smoke. Still, I have seen in my own studies that marijuana is less toxic than most pharmaceutical drugs in current use, and is certainly helpful for some patients, including those with wasting syndrome, chronic muscle spasticity and tractable nausea.
As a physician, I am frustrated that I cannot prescribe marijuana for patients who might benefit from it. At the very least I would like to be able to refer them to a safe, reliable, quality-controlled source."
Kevin Sterling
11:07 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Do you want to continue? I can post these things all night if we're going to employ the appeal to authority fallacy.
Regardless, none of your studies supports the criminalization of personal use. We don't criminalize drinking alcohol, and the health hazards there are indisputable. No Mr. Linkletter, the fact that there are people who don't get drunk when they drink is irrelevant. The health hazards of excessive drinking are profound and proven. Tobacco smokers never get high, but they sure to get a lot of negative health issues from it.
It's comical to assert that someone who has a habit with potentially deleterious health effects should be put in jail and given a criminal record.
pfroehlich2004
12:55 am on Sunday, March 20, 2011
There is a lot of useful and interesting information on here. However, it is largely beside the point.
13 states have already decriminalized marijuana (AK,CA,CO,MA,ME,MN,MS,NC,NE,NV,NY,OH,OR). The only relevant question is whether these states have suffered worse outcomes in crime, health, education, or other social factors than those states which have not deciminalized.
If those of you who oppose decrim in RI cannot provide evidence of any quantifiable harm suffered by the 13 decrim states, then you simply have no leg to stand on.
Steve
7:37 am on Sunday, March 20, 2011
We went through this with alcohol, and we will go through this with marijuana
DSilva
9:58 am on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Very interesting and thoughtful discussion. I appreciate all the well researched and factual comments as well. This is what the Patch comments section is supposed to be about.
Portsman
12:02 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
I wish people stopped projecting their own prejudices and misinformation on this subject that is so dear and so important to a lot of us. I just can't wait to be able to buy my marijuana legally and from an approved dispensary. It is the only effective drug that has been able to calm my sister's nausea and anxiety as he goes through radiation therapy for breast cancer. Today, the easiest way to buy this is in the black market. And guess what? The referrals come from high-school aged kids! As for smoking Mr Cosgrove, please inform yourself and stop copying and pasting from your "authorities". Oil infusions and vaporizers provide much better absorption without the drawbacks of smoke. Any of the online cancer support groups will give great insights into the benefits of Marijuana as a drug and the impact that legal dispensaries had.
Tom Angell
12:31 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Find out why more and more cops, judges, and prosecutors who have fought on the front lines of the "war on drugs" are standing up and saying we need to legalize and regulate all drugs to help solve our economic, crime, and public health problems: http://www.facebook.com/CopsSayLegalizeDrugs
Joe Sousa.
1:21 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
The Department of Justice announced that there are now 1.5 million people in prisons across the United States?
Who are they?
What are they in for?
TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners
Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%
Joe Sousa.
1:26 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Average cost per prisoner at about thirty five thousand dollars annually . Crime pays , for some.
Joe Sousa.
1:34 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Over 50 percent of people released from prison in Rhode Island are returned to prison within three years. The high recidivism rate undermines public safety, and it contributes to a rapidly growing prison population. In the spring of 2007, the average daily population of Rhode Island’s unified jail and prison system reached an all-time high: 3,800 prisoners.
With Rhode Island spending an average of $40,000 per inmate per year, confronting a sharp projected increase in prison population, and facing a mandate to spend $300 million more to expand capacity, it is reasonable to ask whether the state can approach crime and punishment in a more sensible manner...
Historicus
11:00 pm on Friday, March 25, 2011
"The potential benefits of medicinal Cannabis for people living with cancer include antiemetic effects, appetite stimulation, pain relief, and improved sleep. In the practice of integrative oncology, the health care provider may recommend medicinal Cannabis not only for symptom management but also for its possible direct antitumor effect.
Cannabinoids are a group of terpenophenolic compounds found in Cannabis species (Cannabis sativa L. and Cannabis indica Lam.). This summary will review the role of Cannabis and the cannabinoids in the treatment of people with cancer and disease-related or treatment-related side effects."
. . .
"Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis and metastasis. [9-11] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor. [10,11]"
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/AllPages
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