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Poll: Should Ultrasounds Be Required For Abortions?

Should women, seeking abortions, be required to hear a detailed description of an ultrasound before the procedure?

 

State Rep. Daniel Reilly (Republican- District 72, Middletown, Newport, Portsmouth) has co-sponsored a bill that would require medical technicians to perform ultrasounds before abortions

The bill, H-7205, would also require physicians to provide a detailed description of the ultrasound and reveal the fetus' sex to the woman undergoing the procedure. 

We wanted to know what others thought about this pending legislation. Here are just a few comments posted on the Portsmouth Patch's Facebook page Tuesday: 

Becky Peckham: its completely irrelevant. god, how many more stupid bills is this state going to introduce?

Jane Wolk Wheeler: Hmmm, I'd like to introduce a bill that forbids men to masturbate because God meant for those sperm to fertilize eggs, not to be released irresponsibly for pure, selfish, sinful pleasure. Sorry guys, no, you can't make that decision for yourself. People who aren't you and aren't in your situation who have no right to interfere with such a personal part of your life will make that decision for you. Sound unreasonable? Sure does!
Will you please leave women to make their own decisions about their own lives and their own bodies? This is not the middle ages.

Leslie Costic: idiot ... I can't stand how other people try to push their beliefs on others! Not to mention that the sex of a baby CANNOT be determined until sixteen weeks gestation. An abortion that late would be traumatic to all involved. Again I say, idiot!

What do you think about this legislation? Do you agree with the comments? Tell us your thoughts in the poll and comment section below. 

  • Should women be required to have an ultrasound before an abortion?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        36 (16%)
    • No
        179 (83%)
    Total votes: 215
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Dan Reilly and abortion

Cheryl

6:33 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

When is this guy up for reelection?

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T.

7:04 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

For what reason? Make more money for local , non tax paying( in providence) hospitals? Why can't male polititians leave well alone when it comes to the health of women.

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suzannek

8:25 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I don't believe that tax payers would pay for this. Women pay for their own abortions this would be part of the fee, part of the INFORMED decision.

T.

7:14 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

And what would be the consequence for the fathers of these fetus' ? Anything in there for them?

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suzannek

8:25 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

the consequence would be to take care of their child, pay child support at the least

Jane Wolk Wheeler

7:40 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Good point T., will fathers be required to see and hear the results of the forced ultrasound? or are they looking again, as usual to only punish women for an unwanted/accidental pregnancy?

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suzannek

8:27 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

pregnancy is not accidental--if you have sex...the possibility is their to get pregnant it's not like tripping down the stairs. Adoption is an option if its unwanted not death. Death to a baby and Injury to the women.

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

11:56 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Nonsense. Pregnancy absolutely can be accidental. Birth control fails, people make mistakes. Unless one wants to advocate that sex should only be for having babies, then pregnancy can be unplanned and an accident. And women should always have the option of abortion and adoption.

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suzannek

4:15 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

ok robert.....pregnancy is not an accident it's a mistake maybe at best when you choose to do something that could possibly have an outcome that you would not desire well then you would choose not to do said action or possibly have the consiquence. noone's saying sex is just for babies and death should not be an option-just because it's legal doesn't make it right....lots of things are legal but terribly wrong

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

4:36 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@suzannek: you are explicitly saying that sex is only for creating babies by wanting to eliminate the possibility of an abortion for situations where the woman (and man) did all that they could to prevent the pregnancy. This is certainly the Roman Catholic churches position. Fortunately, we are not ruled by the Catholic church, and abortions are legal. If you disagree with the concept of an abortion, then don't have one. But you are not allowed to impose your personal morals on others, any more than they can impose their morals on you. And you have left out the cases of rape and incest. Why exactly should the woman be forced to risk her life, and women do die in childbirth, and her health, so that you feel better? If my wife were pregnant, and due to illness the choice came down to have an abortion or have her die, and she wanted the abortion, I am glad that she doesn't need to choose to die to keep religious people, the church or yourself happy.

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suzannek

4:47 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

robert did i at any point say i was religious? you keep assuming that but i have not said that....there are many non-religious people who don't believe in abortion.

Gerry H

7:53 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

What happened to privacy and a personal life?

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Ellie ferri

8:00 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

This is a disgusting interference into a private matter for women. The goverment has no business forciing this awful test on anyone. The sonogram that is required to see a fetus is one that inserts a "wand" into the vagina. I had it for a different reason. The test is painful and embarrassing. It was decades ago but I will never forget what an awful experianced it was. Please do not let this bill pass.

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suzannek

8:22 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

ellie that type of ultrasound is a vaginal ultrasound and it is not the kind they use for pregnancies unless there is an issue. I hear alot of comments about women's health care but has anyone thought of the after effects to abortions for the women. This would allow the women to make a TOTAL informed decision. INFORMED. Not the deceptive things that the employees of planned parent hood tell you. The after effects of abortions can be devastating not to mention the higher rate of botched abortions and the clinical risks involved. Before people get opinionated about rights lets consider that their is a right to life for all Humans.

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2therightinri

8:29 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Your government interferes with your choice to use a seat belt, yet here and on this issue...such outrage and indignation at the thought. What is painful and embarrassing to me is... how we as nation and a culture fail to protect the most vulnerable among us.

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The Shill

11:18 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

If you want informed decision then every pregnat woman shoud be shown the posable birth defects the can happen to their child and shown the quilty of life that child will have and then be offered abortion as an option, that is informed decision
The trans vaginal ultrasound is the method used in these cases the fetus is too small at this stage to huse other methods.

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

11:52 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

It is a disgusting interference into a private matter for women. It's only purpose is to deter women from having an abortion. The aftereffects of pregnancy can also be devastating, something that suzannek conviniently doesn't mention. The right to life does not extend to the unborn foetuses. Saying that a collection of cells is human has no basis in science, and is only an opinion. If someone doesn't personally want an abortion due to their beliefs, that's fine, no one should be forced to have one. But by the same logic, please don't force your personal beliefs on the rest of us.

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suzannek

4:20 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

and robert you say don't push my personal beliefs on people.....isn't that what you are doing? just because i don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong nor does it make you wrong it makes us humans with an opinion and
the shill-funny you should say that but women are informed of possible birth defects and can be tested for said things already and how bold of you to say that a child with defects have a certain quality of life....you have no clue what it would be and we should never assume we do

Portsman

8:18 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

This kid needs to stop intimidating and bullying our women!

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Ice Fischer

8:20 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

This guy is a republican? just when I started to like the guy he comes out with this crapola. let people make there own decisions. Leave government out. If tax money will used for any funding...NO

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Beth Maroney

8:21 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

It should be required. The mother and the father need to see the human life they have created. It is not a blob of tissue. Seeing the fetus is often stunning enough to save the life of the child.

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suzannek

8:23 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

thank you beth for a positive comment

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

11:58 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

It is a blob of tissue. It has the potential to become a human child, but no more than that.

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suzannek

4:28 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

and robert it is not a blob of tissue by the time a women finds out she is pregnant she is usually already approx 3-4 weeks along. the FETUS heart begins a beat at 24 days. last time i checked blobs of tissues did not have heartbeats just because someone says it is doesn't make it so. also on the political aspect of this maybe we could look at why planned parent hood and the abortion industry was created....it was to gain control and evetually get rid of the black population that is why most planned parenthoods are in black communities with low income, poverty stricken areas. now that's something worth talking about. I would never support anything that was created to get rid of what the founder liked to call burdens to society

JudyM

9:19 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

This seems to me to be a totally unethical use of a medical procedure for nonmedical purposes...an attempt to emotionally blackmail someone! There are a miriad of reasons someone might choose an abortion...and this is a disgusting over the top ploy to force people to go thru an ultrasound...it is irrelevant! Would you also force a woman to view the result if she chooses not to?!! What, Suzannek, are you talking about re botched abortions? That, as far as I know, was an issue pre legalization. I don't think those words go together in the present day. Thank goodness! Dan, hoping you are ready to say goodbye to your legislative life.

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2therightinri

9:41 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Quite to the contrary...To withhold information or otherwise blur or distort the truth for political expediency... on any topic...fits the definition of... unethical. Odd..isn't it...that not one person has posted here that the legislation proposed would bring about the dissemination of information that is inaccurate or misleading. What about the truth of it is so damning.

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

12:02 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

There is no one that is suggesting witholding information, nor blurring nor distorting the truth. No one is suggesting that a pregnant woman can't have an ultrasound if medically indicated. But in this case the purpose is solely to discourage women from considering or having an abortion. This has nothing to do with political expediancy, just a desire to have less interference from people who dislike government interference unless it supports their pet peeves. Religious beliefs have no place in public policy.

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suzannek

4:35 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

robert-again with the religious beliefs no one has mentioned anything pertaining religious reasons why this should happen

Sunny Shores

9:30 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Here is Reilly's email address for anyone that wants to let him know directly their feelings about this bill.

rep-reilly@rilin.state.ri.us

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helen geddes

9:30 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

When the men start having the babies they can make their own decision..in the meantime don't make a judgment until you walk a mile in the womens shoes..

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Skwerl

9:33 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Suzannek, vaginal ultrasounds are certainly used in early pregnancy as well as on women who are heavy or have a tipped uterus.

Beth Maroney, your political views should not infringe upon the rights of another. No matter how you feel about the life status of an embryo, abortion is legal. This ultrasound bill amounts to nothing more than a sad attempt at legislative guilt-tripping.

How about let's focus our efforts on bringing our troops home? On ending hunger? On taking care of the millions of living, breathing human beings who suffer every day? You folks want people to bring more babies into the world, and in the same breath complain about how much tax money goes into the food stamp program. You can't have it both ways.

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2therightinri

10:16 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

It is a huge leap... to make your statement connecting food stamps and abortion. Is it only the poor... that are terminating their pregnancies? Or is only the poor... that need your intervention to protect them from legislation that may inform them and there by cause them some undetermined guilt? Or is it only the poor that you do not believe should proliferate? Or is it just convenient to say? The other causes you raise are worthy, however they do not diminish the the topic at hand. Is this information really detrimental to women or detrimental to the business of abortion providers ?

Joyce Davenport

10:02 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Skwer you are on spot. Also, in some cases teenage girls have babies for the government subsides, not to mention the fact that a boys parents often have to help support these children until he is capable of doing so himself. Sometimes pregnacies are not aborted because of lofty feelings to save a life, but sadly to create a commodity.. These so called wanted children are the ones that often pay the price of poor parenting and the reason there is a "family" of children by different fathers.

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Michelle S.

10:20 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Women also have abortions for other reasons like fetal anomalies...not just because they don't want the baby or are a teen mom. This is not an easy, half-hearted decision and it already involves multiple tests and ultrasounds. Is it really necessary to put the mother through yet another heart breaking procedure?

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Nancy Zitka

12:20 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I think men should be required to have rectal exams before being prescribed viagra! Seriously folks, Republicans have once again shown what hypocrites they are. How can they preach about individual freedoms and be pro-death penalty yet anti-abotrion? Planned Parenthood provides counceling to those considering abortion, and the decision to abort an early fetus is no doubt the most difficult made by a woman. Often, it involves the knowledge that the mother will be unable to care for the child, either financially or emotionally. Rep. Reilly is promoting a level funded budget. He irresponsibly choses to disregard the ramifications involved in forcing women to give birth to lives that will face many hardships.

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2therightinri

1:21 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I have read and reread the proposed legislation and I am unable to find any language that would lead one to conclude, that it would force women to give birth .By the way, life is full of hardships, so... using your logic, maybe we just need to mix up a big batch of purple kool-aid, indulge, and avoid the inevitable challenges ahead.

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suzannek

4:11 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I think it's quite something to say that persons who are prolife are prodeath penalty. where does that come from? and from experience planned parenthood does not disclose all informed information. also do we kill just because you don't want or cant afford a child? what we need to do before we start judging any side of this is to empower women with knowlege and services and not fear so they can keep thier babies if thats what they want to do. so many abortions are done just because of fear of being able to take care of them.
and how bold to say that anyone can assume that someone's life will face many hardships because they were allowed to live?

Average Joe

1:12 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Ms. Zitka,
Before you start trashing Republicans ("Republicans have once again shown what hypocrites they are."), maybe you should do a little research. The PRIME sponsor of this bill is a WOMAN, DEMOCRAT, yes DEMOCRAT WOMAN, Rep. Karen MacBeth. But thats ok, don't let facts get in your way.

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Average Joe

1:25 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Also Ms. Zitka,
I forgot to point out that the other co-sponsors of this bill: Rep. James McLaughlin - DEMOCRAT; Rep. Arthur Corvese - DEMOCRAT; and Rep. Gregory Schadone - DEMOCRAT.

J. Lane McMahon

1:59 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Let me get this straight. Our roads are and bridges are falling apart. Our statewide pension system is going to be the albatross that pulls us all down. Taxes are going through the roof. And our state economy is 3 to 4 years away from recovery.

But this is our Reps. agenda? They all need to be voted out.

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AJMW

2:09 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

We like to paint the world with broad strokes, especially those in "power" who have perhaps not had the opportunity to live life with the type of fullness that includes poverty, ignorance due to illiteracy or poor parenting and education, victims of sexual assault by a stranger or family member, or extreme peer pressure due to low self esteem that makes a girl feel as though she is nothing if she doesn't give herself sexually to a boy who is demanding without the use of contraception because "it doesn't feel as good"- with promises of love. These aren't just movies, these situations are real, perhaps not widespread in Portsmouth but certainly exist in Rhode Island. Asking these girls or women to be "legislated" with even more extra guilt and remorse into their decision is sealing a much larger and damaging psychological burden. There would be no purpose to call out the findings of an ultrasound to a woman who has made a decision. Proper clinics counsel their patients prior to the procedure and many give them 24 hours to realize their decision to be certain they are comfortable prior to procedure. Politicians need not be in my exam room. BTW I came from a city where the teen girl live birth rate was 90%, a healthy percent born into the situations above NOT put up for adoption. A right to choose is just that, since you can't legislate the time life truly begins you should not be legislating to make a woman (or girl) feel victimized at her doctors office.

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Nancy Zitka

3:10 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Thank you AJMW for stating so clearly the realities of the teens and women who find themselves considering abortion. My comment on this being a Republican agenda item is based on fact, just look at what's happening nationally. This particular bill was brought forth by a women with an agenda. She didn't feel Planned Parenthood provided her with the information she was seeking at the time of her unexpected pregnancy. However, she, along with her fellow supporters, don't represent the philosophy of the Democratic party. Lastly, the proposed ultrasound requirement is deeply flawed in that SEX CAN'T BE DETERMINED UNTIL THE 18TH TO 20TH WEEK OF PREGANACY. Most women have abortions well before that time frame. What's next? Vaginal probes?

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Average Joe

3:26 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Ms. Zitka,
This bill (we are talking this bill in RI, not nationally) was drafted by a democrat and co-sponsored by 3 additional democrats and 1 rebublican, so please spare me the "Republican agenda" nonsense.

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A really concerned citizen

4:42 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Anti-abortion is for the most part a Republican talking point. On many occasions you will see Democrats, usually Catholic Democrats, that will side with the Republicans on this issue, but for the most part it is a Republican agenda item. The pre abortion ultrasound bill is a deterrent to abortion. The Republicans care about you from conception until birth and then, sorry pal you are on your own. Just so happens Rhode Island has a heavy Catholic constituency as well as many Catholics in the Assembly, that is why there are several Democrats proposing the bill. Mr. Reilly I am afraid has shot himself in the foot over what should be a decision made by a woman and her Doctor, especially when there is a disinterested father who will not be there come time to support the mother and child.

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Average Joe

5:03 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

You are correct, in Rhode island anti-abortion is a Democratic talking point and on the Democratic agenda.

franny glass

11:01 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

I agree with J. Lane; this should not even be on the radar. However, if we must take up this issue it should be done by statewide referendum, and not by the general assy. Also, if it passes, I would expect a high court challenge. Both a waste of resources in my opinion.

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Rhonda Gilbert

11:21 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

Information as to what a fetus looks like at a particular week of pregnancy is available- even in video format. There is no need to do an ultrasound to provide this information to a person considering an abortion.

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Zachary Nault

2:31 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012

I don't understand the problem with furnishing patients with more information?
Ultrasounds are already conducted by abortionists on a regular basis, you can refer to today's article in the Journal where an abortionist. People not only from the pro-life side, but spokespeople from Planned Parenthood as well as abortionist Dr. Pablo Rodriguez in today's Journal have said the exact same thing. They are already a commonplace part of the abortion process. Turning the monitor so the mother can see what is occurring in her womb seems like a piece of truth that the women deserve to see. The whole focus of the pro-abortion side is "choice", correct me if I'm wrong but choice should be furnished with truth, not ignorance. Just as Rep. Karen L. Macbeth stated, the bill is "pro-information", not anti-women or pro-rape as some zealots have wrongly and obnoxiously called it.

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Portsman

3:39 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012

Zachary: this is not about information. This is about intimidation. If a doctor and a patient decide that an ultrasound is necessary, by all means, the doctor will prescribe it. This is an invasive intimidation tactic mandating ultrasounds when they are not medically needed with the sole purpose of intimidating a woman into not electing to have an abortion.

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Robert Kits van Heyningen

5:11 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012

It is solely intended to intimidate the physician and the woman. The penalties in the bill are $100,000 for not taking the ultrasound, regardless if the ultrasound is medically necessary. That is a huge amount of money, clearly meant to punish the physician. I doubt that there is any legislation on the books that will punish a doctor to that extant for not doing a legislatively required procedure that doesn't relate to abortion. Will we see legislation that mandates ultrasounds if the woman wants to have the baby?
Of course not. So, the legislation is only intended to intimidate and harass doctors and their patients that have decided that the best path forward for the patient is an abortion.

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