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Poll: Does Portsmouth High School Need An Artificial Turf Field?

Would a new turf field benefit student athletes? Tells us your thoughts below.

 

Would a new artificial turf field benefit the students of Portsmouth High School? Athletic director Steve Trezvant thinks so. 

Trezvant told the Newport Daily News he would like to see a new track and turf field at the high school. The project is estimated to cost $1.6 million, according to the Newport Daily News. 

Several Portsmouth Patch users shared these comments about the project on our Facebook page: 

The NE Pats just got turf 5 years ago and they are professional. This is high school. — Angela Dyl

Middletown has artifical turf and the maintenance of the field would go down. — Chris Squeo Pierce

Almost every other school football field you go to.is the new.turf. I think the ones who need to answer that are the players who play on the fields they would have a.better idea on if it is worth it or not. — Karen Gauthier Ferris

We want to know what you think about this idea. Tell us your thoughts in the comment section or poll below! 

  • Would you like to see a new track and turf field at Portsmouth High School?

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    • Yes, a new field would benefit student athletes
        202 (57%)
    • No, a new field is not needed
        149 (42%)
    Total votes: 351
  • This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Portsmouth High School and Portsmouth School District - RI

Tinker

6:48 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Are you serious? With all the economic woes that come from that school? Money can be put to much better use than that! It's high school for goodness sakes.

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Terri Cortvriend

7:14 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

I don't think the question is worded very well. YESthe student athletes and the athletic would benefit from the track and field improvements. But NO it is not absolutely necessary.

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Donna Bernier

7:52 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

I agree with Tinker & Terri C. What part of ,people are struggling do you not get? I think I would benefit from a new Mercedes ,or my children over 21 could use health ins from their employers, but it's not likely to happen,and I hope this doesn't either! Do people just sit around thinking of ways to spend $$$$ they don't have???

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Portsmouth for 43 years and counting

10:22 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Let Salve pay for it, the way they did at Gaudet

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tsgcPORT

10:29 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Is a turf field in Portsmouth absolutely necessary? no, BUT yes it would benefit the student athlete and their would be opportunities for Town of Portsmouth to make money from the use of the field from camps, etc from outside organizations, plus of course maintainence goes way down.

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tsgcPORT

10:31 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

I would like to add- Portsmouth needs full day kindergarten before a turf field happens...

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cought up

11:46 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

they need to improve there schools first look at the high school its old and falling apart. they just put up a brand new gym and blew all our money they dont need a field. 12$ for grass seed poor it down and make it look nicer they use there own money not ours!!

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Lindsey

11:53 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

As a recent PHS graduate I think it would be great for the school. As a cheerleader, we were always getting hurt on the constantly muddy field, especially when we would have to tumble across it in all the ditches! Also, since it's being raised by donations I think it's fine. The new field wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything, so if you don't like the idea of a nicer field for the athletes, don't donate.

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Portsmouth Citizen

1:47 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

FROM THE ARTICLE: “We’re going to have to do the majority of our fundraising ourselves,” athletic director Steve Trezvant said.

There it is folks. The athletics director states right up front that the money will have to come from private donations, NOT public school taxpayer dollars.

No one here should complain that full day kindergarten or high school building repairs or whatever should come first, because those things are paid for with taxpayer dollars and the new field effort will be done with private money.

I support private efforts to get whatever is good for the kids, from band uniforms to football fields to trips to Guatemala. If people want to donate their own money to build a new field because that is what they believe in, why would anyone object?

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Robert E

2:44 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Why not get them to donate to academics instead of extra curricular activities. The jobs of the schools is to educate the children not provide them with something to do after school. The after school sport program benefits a small number of students and should not use any tax dollars unless the let every student play regardless of their athletic ability. No cuts everyone plays. It has gotten to the point where sports take preference over academics it doesn't matter if kids do not learn as long as you have a wining football team. All extra curricular activities should be privately paid for.

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Tinker

3:16 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Robert, well said. And to "Portsmouth Citizen",. I see the statement that the majority of it will be donated. And wher4e does the rest of it come from? Somehow, the school reaches into our picketbooks after it has extended itself for things they couldn't afford in the first place and didn't need!

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gmerc

5:28 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Grass is more desirable than turf, if it is a healthy and full tract. If the condition of the field is not good, perhaps a resodding can be considered. But natural grass is more aesthetically pleasing and also better for athletes as the body is dealt more shock from fake turf versus a nice natural grass field. Obviously, the track portion has its own unique surface. Not sure of its condition.

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Town resident for many years

6:17 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Are you kidding. We are talking about taking benefits away form loyal employees and we are being asked to spend money on atificial turf!!!! Yes would that be nice and in other years would it have been feasible, of course, this is Portsmouth, an affluent Town. However, in this economy I am appauld that it is even being suggested for consideration. We would love to have the atheltic department to stay. Am I in another time zone? I thought questions have arrison wether athletics can be afforded. Thanks,

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Mike Platt

6:21 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Is Duncan still involved with sports? Sounds like something he would push. I remember when the gym or the Duncan dome was built, the towns people were told that they would be able to use the track inside. yeah right!!!

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Town resident for many years

6:26 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

I don't think Duncan is still involved. At least not up front. Who knows if behind the scenes!!!!!!

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Dan Force

10:04 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I was under the impression that artificial was cheaper in the long run. After a few Google searches I’m discovering that isn’t the case. And it appears that players prefer a well-kept natural surface. “Well-kept” the key part of that equation. That means much more than once-a-year reseeding and weekly mowing. Still, it looks as if a “well-kept” natural surface is cheaper than a well-kept artificial surface. A key point I found on one link was:
“…artificial turf needs pesticides and disinfectants to prevent/eliminate mold, bacteria and other hazards that are biodegraded by the natural environment of grass fields. The maintenance and equipment for artificial turf fields is often underestimated.”
The condition of the track is a different story. I’ve run on lots of tracks, and often run on the PHS track. It leaves a lot to be desired. To begin with it’s an odd distance of 416 meters; has lots of uneven patches. At any speed that’s not safe. It can trip up a runner and cause injury. The distance could easily be changed to the 400 meter standard by pulling in the turn at the west end. It would require only a small amount of pavement. Then perhaps a complete new topcoat so that it has a smooth, even surface throughout.
Links comparing the two.
http://turf.uark.edu/turfhelp/archives/021109.html
http://www.artificialturfsupply.com/costsavings_athletics.html
http://www.turfgrasssod.org/pages/resources/natural-grass-vs-artificial-turf-information

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steve pappas

10:53 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Dan, I agree that the studies you have listed are helpful....I think what we have here (in Ports) is a little more involved. Not sure, but would like to hear/see all of the numbers. I think the field is currently used for Football (varsity, JV, Freshmen) Soccer Boys (varsity, JV) Soccer Girls (varsity, JV) and Pop Warner Football. I know there are boys and girls Lacrosse teams but I'm not sure where those games are played. The field is used for games ONLY. So, all of the practices are held on other fields. I think the maintenance of all of these other practice fields needs to be taken into consideration too. I think an artificial surface field would also provide an opportunity for rental for sports camps etc.during the summer months when the natural field needs to rest and not be used at all. Again, the studies referenced are good but I'd like to see more on this....

Paula Therriault

1:20 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I thought the school was in need of money. How is artificial turf going to behefit our kids educatim? $1.5 milion dollars? Are you guys nuts? Middletown has their new field because Salve Regina paid for it and both the Middletown schools and Salve benefit. How is this supposed to help our kids education? It seems there is a lot of higher priority items that could benfit the both the school, like books, teachers, music, art, etc, you know, some of those "educational" things that seem to take a back seat to football.

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Town resident for many years

6:38 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Please we need the schools to be able to run. We don't need to worry about running on a track whether it is good or bad!!!! Please lets just get the schools academically running in good condition before we start talking about adding expenses we simply can not afford. Of course, can not affort according to the politicians. There may be money somewhere we as citizens do not know about. Most likely that is the case and the politicians want to spend were they think they can get the most votes. Whatever!!!!

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Townie101

7:17 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

As long as it's by private donation and fundraising efforts i vote yes. However, we all know these efforts sometimes fall short and in the end the heartstrings of the the tax payers are pulled at and we are asked to dig deeper into our pockets. I moved to portsmouth so my child could be in one of the best school systems in the state, not who has the best sports program. I believe sports play a big role in childrens lives for a number of reasons but their education is more important and that will open the doors to the future for them. Let's make sure the money isn't coming from more taxes because we're already being taxed through the nose.

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KJ Delamer

2:14 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

If the artificial turf/track refurbishment is provided through private and corporate donations, it should go forward.

There are numerous studies that purport to show that natural turf is less expensive than artificial turf. Drill down into many of the assumptions in those studies and you will find two common themes. The first theme is that artificial turf advocates understate the maintenance costs. This is often the case. The second major assumption is that the proverbial 'bag of grass seed and mow once a week' represents the total investment in natural turf. This is comparing apples and oranges. The maintenance requirements to bring a natural turf field up to the level where athletes 'prefer it to artificial turf' is enormous. for a variety of reasons. The nature of the land on which the field is sited will also raise the cost.

Would it be cheaper to keep the current field at the current state? Probably. Is that condition satisfactory for the various sports played on the field including boys and girls lacrosse this spring? No. Would it be nice if private donors contributed classrooms and and computer equipment? Yes. But if private donors are willing to help with athletic turf and the maintenance cost balances, the student athletes should benefit from the generosity. Rejecting this proposal, which does not cost the district any more than the current arrangement, would be absurd.

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Tinker

3:03 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

In theory this is all great! In fact, you don't get anything for nothing!! If it is too good to be true, then it probably is. The thing is the school comes up with "a shortage of funds" and the taxpayers get stuck with the cost.

Robert E

2:42 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

But who pays for maintenance? What is the life expectancy and who pays for replacement? The field has had grass all these years why is it only a problem now? Sometime a gift seems like a good idea at the time but when you look at all the facts it may not be what it seems the long term costs need to be factored in.

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Town resident for many years

6:06 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Eventually it cost more than grass seed and mowing!!!!!

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Kate Borrosh

4:50 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Yes...the athletes and marching band would all benefit. How safe is it when the field is a mud bowl during a game and there are ruts and pot holes. As a parent and coach why wouldn't we want the best for our students... All of them...every student at one time or another is on the field...graduation is held there in the good weather and sometimes not so good weather. If we have a company that wants to help us help ourselves and our students why wouldn't we rise to the challenge to raise the necessary funds to accomplish this and continue to make Portsmouth the top notch school/community we want for now and the future of Portsmouth and its residents.
K. Borrosh

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Chandler Borrosh

6:56 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

As a former student athlete, I played on that field for my four years of high school in multiple sporting events and found that a turf field would have been beneficial. On the days it rains and the field becomes a mud pit, it becomes difficult to play and dangerous. Additionally, the marching band in their uniforms and shoes do not want to get all muddy and when the cheerleaders are doing their tumbling, a wet, muddy field makes it dangerous for them. A turf field would be beneficial not only to the athletes but also the students. In addition, in the long run it eventually saves the town money because the town is no longer paying for maintainence such as mowing, lining, watering the field. If we look at other schools that have turf fields, we can see that they have had multiple successes on that field because there is something about playing on turf that makes it so different from grass. Myself, now playing D1 Lacrosse, practices on a turf field everyday and it makes all the difference on those wet, rainy days. The town needs to look at the future for Portsmouth High School and see that PHS is a top competitor and that its athletes have been putting their heart out on the field for many years, why not reward them for their dedication and hard work?
PHS2011

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Jordan B

10:00 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

As a current student at the school, I can tell you from experience that the field is where almost all our gym classes are held so by saying that not everyone would benefit from turf is false, as students, we all know what it's like going down to the field for class after a rainy day and having to play in the muddy field which then tears it apart for the sports teams. Also, as a goalie in lacrosse, I know that for me personally, I strongly dislike having to play on grass because it gets torn up under me from constant movement; add water, rocks, and mud to that equation and the outcome is neither pleasant nor pretty. I think having turf WOULD benefit all the students in one way or another whether through sports, P.E. marching band, or graduation.

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Brad Kelly

10:25 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Chavous, Greenman, Szczepaniak, and Sewall would FLY on that field. Do it and punch a ticket to State!

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Nate

10:31 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

As a current senior and boys lacrosse player this is a very good idea. Of course, it happens when we leave, but since our school is going down the toilet anyways, the students should at least have one benefit. For the people who said "what about a kindergarden" clearly you have not been enrolled in PHS in recent years. The place is run like a kindergarden so that settles that. Also, it is said it would be paid for by fundraiser, so the people who complained about tax dollars, read. We are one of the only schools to NOT have a turf field...we should probably come up to date. I have twisted ankles playing on the field. It is extremely dangerous. Students/athletes are constantly getting injured. The students are always getting ripped off by this town and finally we should get something in return. As said, our school is going down the toilet so we should do something about it because "fixing up the school" and other changes clearly aren't working. This would be a very smart move. And like Jordan said, EVERY STUDENT USES THE FIELD. Every student is in a gym class which uses the field.

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Tinker

1:24 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

You have quite the sense of entitlement.

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Lee

1:48 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

That is what they teach them in school these days, they listen to the teachers wine all day about entitlements. The "Occupy Wall Street" thugs mantra.

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Portsmouth

5:32 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate do you honestly think that the town of Portsmouth is going to raise 1.6 million for a turf field? And how you say the field is extremely dangerous, what do you think sports originated on? Perfectly primed fields? Stop acting like the typical Portsmouth High School student. Wah I twisted my ankle on the field, I deserve a turf field!! And Mr. Force was right earlier when he said that the upkeep of a turf field ends up more expensive than the upkeep of a grass field. And you comparing how the school is run ("like a kindergarden", "going down the toilet") to argue that you should get a turf field is a fallacy. Yes Nate we all agree that in a perfect world a turf field would be great, and I do agree that all students would benefit from it, but it is not exactly the first thing this town needs. The high school students can live with the field they have, trust me.

Brad Kelly

10:41 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

The world is going to end in December anyway so why not? But in all seriousness, raised through donations, makes for a safer playing surface and more practice area for the teams. It could even add to attendance at sporting events or playoff Pop Warner events. I don't see a problem with it, where can I donate and give back to my team/town?

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Lee

7:20 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I played on this team for a season, would not like to play on plastic. The grass, dirt, and mud is part of the experience. I still treasure the memory of that and when I attend the Thanksgiving game at Portsmouth I am taken back to that time, Middletown games are missing that. I feel it is an important part of the learning experience for the youth, perfecting movement on a natural enviroment at a time when their bodies and minds are still developing. Not to mention the plastic surface could to case runoff, aren't we trying to avoid that in our town by limiting paved surfaces? Besides a narual surface will also give us an edge in home games when we play against plastic teams. Lets keep it green and muddy.

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Gene Love

8:31 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

One of the Most Glaring Examples of our Public School System completely out of touch with reality. It is abundantly evident that our Country is facing the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression. Our Federal Government has accumulated a staggering federal deficit which is steadily growing at an alarming rate. The State of Rhode Island continues to struggle with serious fiscal problems with no resolution in site. Providence our capital city is on the verge of bankruptcy and Central Falls has declared bankruptcy. Literally every city and town in Rhode Island is dealing with budgetary problems and Portsmouth officials are seriously concerned about how we will manage our ever increasing budget demands with dwindling state aid. Businesses are closing, people are losing their jobs and even their homes, with many struggling financially. With all of this the Athletic Director at Portsmouth High School thought it would be a good time to seek $1.6 million dollars for non-essential Artificial Turf at the High School ! Absolutely Outrageous !!! The School Department needs to demonstrate fiscal responsibility and would be well served to seek an Athletic Director that understands basic economics and community responsibility. The important lessons that our students will learn about economics, responsibility and priorities will be determined by actions of the School Department.

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Nate

9:02 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The current field is a hazard to the athletes. Read my post and the article...the majority will be raised by fundraisers. And its not like if we don't get the field, the 1.6 million will go to anything else.

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Lee

9:16 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

When did this field become a hazard, it's been in use since the 60s and now you think that 1.6 million dollars is needed to correct this emergency hazard? Why not use fund rasing efforts to correct more important matters than what is basicily a high school play ground? Is there any thing else in our town that the funds could go to that would invest in our future? Waste of money.

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Town resident for many years

6:20 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Majority is not all..... You expect the Town to come up with the rest of the funds. I would be all for improving fields, etc. in the Town if we had the funds. However, we are talking about changing benefits for retirees who worked hard for this town and took much less pay for skills so they had the retirement. This town and state are now trying to change what many current and retired employees worked very hard for. To me the fields can be mudding in the rain. My backyard is and many of our septic systems are under scrutaining, do you really feel that at this time in Portsmouth, fields and artificial turf should be in the forefront of our school committee and town's mind. Sorry...... I do not agree.....If someone can raise 1.6 million to improve with no school or town funds involved at all (I want to repeat at all), go for it and good luck.

Robert E

9:42 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

If this feild is such a hazzard then we need to end all extra curricular sports programs immediately. We can not afford to put our youth in such danger. The school need to get back to it's core mission, education it's nice for the kid to be able to play games after school but that is not the job of the schools. The job of the schools are to teach reading, math, science and history. @ Jordan Borrosh if all the gym classes are being taught on this feild then why did we spend all that money on the new mega gym?

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Town resident for many years

6:22 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Good for you Robert E... I really like your comments.

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Nate

6:26 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

you said below to a response to Brad that you didn't say they should be cut. Do you not remember posting this?

Nate

9:56 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Robert e, clearly you aren't a student or never went to high school. Without sports and games to watch, this school would suck more than it does. Without it there would be no spirit and no motivation so we can't do that. Nice idea though(sarcasm). Also, the gym is for basketball, weights, and gym class during the winter. And since we need gym(state mandated) we need the gym and field.

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Robert E

10:57 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate, clearly you never had a job, family and paid properity taxes. If you think school sucks now I feel sorry for you because your life is going to be one big disappointment high school years are going to be the best years of your life after that it's all down hill. Make the most of your school years when you get older you will learn thet grass or artificial turf is the least important thing in your life.

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Town resident for many years

6:26 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Baloney Nate. Schools have spirit without sports or they should. Sports are not the end all and be all of High School or schools in general. The teachers should motivate students not the athletic department. I love the football games but that was not my prime interest in High School, the social aspect of school is far more important. A small majority of students are involved in the afterschool use of the fields. Maybe you were one of the so called chosen few who thought they were better than the majority of students in school. Sorry that was the only thing you had spirit for your school about.

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Nate

6:31 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Town resident, students do not like going to school. Is that news? No. Do I think I am better than anyone because i am "one of the chosen few" no. We have a thing called spirit week, that ends with the big football game. And on a friday night, students love going to the Portsmouth field to watch our team play other teams. It's all about school spirit. Teachers can only do so much. Typical older person, you don't think about the students feelings or our thoughts, just yours. And every student uses the field during their high school career every year, whether they play a sport or not. Sports influence about 70% of spirit. If not higher...if not sports...what else does? Waking up at 6:15, sitting in class all day, then doing homework? That sounds real exciting to me...

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Town resident for many years

7:22 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate you are showing that you are so very young. I hated school as well and loved going to football games but that was not my entire high school ife. If it is yours, you really are one of the chosen few.... And yes I am older than you. So do not think you are insulting me by some typical of and older person. I am not insulting you by saying typical of a younger person who has no clue about what will mean the most once he/she is out of high school. That is four years of your life. At the time, it is all that matters, however, once in college, high school is babyville....

Average Joe

10:38 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lets face facts, an artificial turf field is a "want" not a "need". FYI, the majority of the high school fields in RI are natural turf, not artificial (although more and more schools are moving towards artificial turf). However, if private money will be used to fund the 1.6 million cost, I say why not, as long as the long term costs of maintenance are factored into the decision (artificial turf fields need to be refurbished every 8 to 10 years, so what will that cost?). In reality, having an artificial field has so many advantages (less injuries, fields can be used in colder weather because they do not freeze solid, etc.). But can the town afford it now, no. And for the people that say " fund raising could be used for more important things", I say this, go ahead and raise money for those things, but if individuals want to raise money for a new artificial field, let them (its important to them). At the end of the day, for now, our sports teams have a field (not perfect) which is functional.

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Nate

11:11 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I am a senior in high school I do not have the financial responsibility of an adult you are correct. The article said private fundraising so if you don't want to fund it, then don't. Take your money and do whatever you please with it

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Robert E

1:21 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate what you don't realize is that once installed I will have to fund it the private funds will install it but the taxpayers will have to fund the maintenance and in 5-10 years the replacement of it. paying taxes is not a choice I can't just take my money and do whatever I please with it. You need to look at the long term not just the short term costs of this project.

TAMORI

1:06 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

To those of you saying that saying that artificial turf is so much better, please answer this.

Why did the University of Florida switch the playing surface of Florida Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium from artificial turf to natural grass in 1990?

Why did the University of Alabama switch the surface of Bryant-Denny Stadium from artificial turf to natural grass in 1992?

Why does Auburn University maintain a natural grass surface in Jordan-Hare Stadium?

Why does Heinz Field in Pittsburgh, PA maintain a natural grass field?

All of these organizations can surely afford to have whatever kind of playing surface they desire. But for some reason they all choose to maintain natural grass. Why?

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Tinker

1:19 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

If it is a wet, muddy rainy day, cancelthe activity.

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Average Joe

2:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

TAMORI, let me start by stating that I do not believe Portsmouth can afford to spend 1.6 million on a new artificial turf field, the current field will have to do for now. Getting to your point however, I would have to bet that 99 out of 100 coaches and players would prefer a modern (built within the last 5 to 10 years) artificial turf field over natural turf (unless the natural turf is meticulously maintained, which is extremely expensive). The artificial turf (Astroturf) fields of the 1970's, 80's and into the 90's were terrible. They were hard, slick and did not drain well, or at all. Injuries on these fields actually increased. The modern artificial turf fields are soft and forgiving and drain exceptionally well. There are also much fewer injuries.

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Portsmouth Person

2:16 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

This matter isn't meant to start wars on the patch. Everyone needs to be acting their age right now. Adults, you are picking on a high schooler who is brave enough to post his opinion. All parties need to show equal respect whether you are for or against the decision of a turf field.

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Robert E

2:22 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Portsmouth Person I am not picking on a high schooler I am giving them a lesson in economics something the schools should be doing. I never attacked his opinion but just added some life experience.

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Tinker

4:01 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

No one is "picking on" anyone. Stating your opinion is fine, but when you do so you have to listen to the opinions of others.

Nate

3:01 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

For once, can the students have a say though? We always get ripped off. I don't see why half the people even care about this subject. Its not coming out of your taxes so why do you care? Don't want to be in the fundraiser, then don't. If you want to help out every student in the high school, athletes and non-athletes, then please do so. And Robert, while I respect what you are saying, and no offence, you did not give me a lesson on economics. I see where everyone is coming from, thinking that this wouldn't benefit anyone, even though it would. But the reality is, this 1.6 million dollars that will be raised is going to go to the field. If it wasn't raised for the field, it wouldn't be raised at all. I don't think anyone is going to raise 1.6 million dollars in a fundraiser for the school in general. Its too broad of a topic. What it comes down to is you either want to help the field project or you don't. If not, then carry on with your life and this has no effect on you. And when you bring up maintance, every field requirs it. And its not even possible, nor legal, to get rid of the field so something must be done.

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Tinker

4:02 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I hear what you are saying, and even assuming they raise enough donated funds to do the field, where is the money coming from to maintain it? No one has answered that yet.

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Town resident for many years

6:32 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate we have no issue with the students having an opinion and we hear it. However, fiscally this is not a go for now. If the town was fiscally in good shape, we would of course have a different opinion on the turf. But the Town is not in a good financial situation and the students need to be aware of that fact. The Town is not a parent that gives and gives at the expense of paying the bills. The Town has a responsibility to it's taxpayers...

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Nate

6:36 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Town, this has nothing to do with taxpayers. Can you please tell me why you bring that up? The field does not have to come out of tax payers pockets if they chose not to. That is the point of the fundraisers. Either way, something has to be done about the track or field at some point in time there is no question about that. True, I do not know much about where the money goes to for Portsmouth, but some can be raised for the track and field.

Original Islander

3:09 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

We will raise the money and they will come. Do not listen to naysaying naybobs.

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Tinker

4:03 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

How much are you donating? And who pays for the maintenance?

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Brad Kelly

4:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Tinker, who pays the maintain the grass field already? It would cost less to maintain a turf field, it is one of the advantages of installing the turf field.

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Town resident for many years

6:36 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

If you can pay for the entire project, thank you from me as a long time resident with grandchildren in the schools. But I can not afford to donate. That saddens me as I am sure it saddens many other residents. I have no clue about maintenance but we I believe pay for grass cutting and seeding at the High School. I don't know I much that costs or if it is cheaper. I personally need to focus on town residents who need the Town and Schools to spend more wisely and frugally. Not stupidly on lawyers and new administrators and logos, etc. etc. etc.

Brad Kelly

3:54 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Tamori, Heinz field is atrocious. Have you ever seen a Steelers game the entire field is mud. U of F and Auburn are located in the deep south, where there is more sun and grass grows year round. They have a grounds crew that maintains the field daily. Their stadiums are football only. This is New England, where grass grows 7 months of the year, where it rains and snows and where we don't have a grounds crew. This past year as I was looking at colleges, I was recruited by 5 schools who belong to the NEFC (New England Football Conference, a 16 team Division 3 footbal conference). All 5 of those schools, Salve, Umass Dartmouth, Western New England, Maine Maritime, and Bridgewater St. all have turf fields, why? Well, as Coach Emery from Western New England said "This is New England people, it's impossible to maintain a grass field." Now, I realize that Portsmouth is not a D3 college football team, however, my point is made. This money will be raised through fundraising, not only that but it opens up other oppoutunities as a venue where summer camps can happen, tournaments can happen, Pop Warner playoffs can happen, ect. This means that financially it would be beneficial after the initial fundraising. Also, the maintence of the field would not be as required (every 8 to 10 years) as opposed to once a week for 7-8 months out of the year. Robert E, if you so wish I can send you my Senior Project Research Paper from last year, which in 12 pages with a clear thesis and support details

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Robert E

5:29 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Brad what does your research say the long term costs are for this type of project I don't have a problem with donations but my concern is the long term costs. The cost for cutting the grass is $0.00 sense the rest of the grass at the school need to be cut anyway what are the long term maintenance issues and can some sort of trust fund be set up to cover them.

Brad Kelly

3:59 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

On what the benefits of youth sports are. If the mission of PHS is to build our youth, then sports and extra-curricular activities are ESSENTIAL. Also, Gene Love, you do not know what Mr. Trezvant's job is on a daily basis. You may ridicule him or his job/beliefs all you want but I can tell you this: He has a degree from Wake Forest (Where the admissions rate is 40% and 95% of the students we're in the top tenth of their class), was a former Portsmouth athlete himself, and genuinely cares for the students lives, studies, and safety. Please let him do his job, which he is great at and is well-deserving of. Thank you.

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Brad Kelly

4:22 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Keep speaking your mind Nate, I got your back.

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Nate

4:43 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

And all the major colleges that have the grass fields can pay for constant maintance to make them perfect. We can't even compare field to them and to bring those schools into this is completly absurd and has nothing to do with us or the topic. If anyone has done any research on the subject is brad. he appears to be the most educated on the topic, because if I am correct, he did his senior project about it

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Portsmouth

5:22 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Are you guys serious.... you honestly think we can afford a turf field right now.....

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Nate

5:26 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Portsmouth...did you read the full article and comments? Who is we? You don't have to be part of it

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Brad Kelly

5:31 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Well my project was focused on youth sports which Robert E ridiculously said should be stopped which under no circumstances is true. However, I played at New bedford Voc-tech probably 5 or 6 times in pop warner in playoffs/championships/regionals. Ive played at Hendricken on their turf twice, at cranston stadium a bunch of times. Our grass doesnt compare to that turf in my opinion, speaking from experience.

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Robert E

6:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Brad get your facts straight i didn't say they should be stopped I said they should not use tax dollars unless everyone gets to play. You say sports bring great benifits they why have tryouts and cut kids that arn't as talanted as others don't all the kids deserve the benifits that sports teaches. If tax dollars are used every kid that wants to play should have the chance reguardless of ability.

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Brad Kelly

6:47 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The only sport I can think of that actually cuts players is Basketball and maybe a few from baseball. This is become a limit in roster spots. Take that up with the RIIL not me. Besides, they have intramural Basketball a decent amount of the time, I'm not positive of how often but i remember at least once a week so if somebody does want to play then they can. Baseball may be a different story I'm not sure if players get cut or not but they do have Babe Ruth in portsmouth if they do.

Nate

5:59 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lee and Portsmouth, for replying on my post earlier. First off, none of my teachers talk about the Occupy movement or any of that. I am not in any business relates courses in our high school. Second, yes I am a Portsmouth High School student. A twisted ankle might not be major, but someone could get a sprained ankle or worst. When playing on a field with holes and ruts, it creates an extremely dangerous situation. For people running, and shooting the ball etc. You sound like a typical Portsmouth parent. We don't want to benefit the younger kids and their interests, but I want my money in my pocket for my uses blah blah blah. And how our school is run, money has nothing to do with that. It's the administration's fault. But that is something different and unrelated. As with Brad, I have played on other fields and there is no comparison. Moses Brown's field is amazing, and we love playing on it. And do I expect the town to raise the money? As of right now, no. Not in one day. It's going to take a few years, but it will get done. The band is hosting fundraisers for their new uniforms, why aren't the adults of Portsmouth complaining about them hosting fundraisers? Because that is basically what you are doing here. Also, Robert E, it is not free to cut the grass for the field. The grass takes time to cut, and time is money.

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Robert E

6:16 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Nate trust me you will see things differently when you get older. Yes the grass takes time to cut but if they are not cutting the fiel they will still be paying the guy who cuts the grass they don't send him home and reduce his pay because thet field doesn't get cut he still gets a full week pay.

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Portsmouth

6:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The funny thing is is that I'm not a Portsmouth parent, I'm a Portsmouth High School senior.

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Nate

6:50 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Portsmouth, you sound like a parent. A parent who does not care about the well being of students, their interests, or health. You have had gym class on and that field and ran on that track, you know the condition.

Nick

6:11 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I just want to provide a bit of insight for those who seem to be a bit detached from the school and athletics there.

To start off with, the condition of the track is terrible. As a four year member of the track team, I get to run on that thing every day. If you were going just by feel, you would think it was a road. It is so old and worn down that its only advantage is that it marks off distances. I have cracked several pairs of shoes from running on it and your shins and heels suffer if you try to race on it. When I have a choice, I go down to Middletown's track to do workouts because ours does almost as much damage as good. Last year we had our divisional meet taken away from us and moved to Barrington because of the condition of the track. It is more or less cement.

Secondly, the field, while not as bad as the track, is also in terrible shape. There are divets and holes all over the place and the entire middle of the field is dirt. That field isn't just used for games, contrary to what a few very knowledgeable people on here seem to think. Its also used for some practices as well as things like gym class (which isn't an extra-curricular activity). I wouldn't necessarily say that a turf field is needed but that is definitely an option to consider because if it doesn't get redone, it will become unusable.

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Nick

6:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

For those of you who are all about acedemics before extra-curriculars, this is the paragraph you care about. Regardless of what some of you seem to think, Portsmouth is probably the third best public school system in the state behind Barrington and East Greenwich. You can look at about 5 different standardized test results to back that up. The school is continuously moving with beter educating students by adding things like AP courses and frequent professional development days/seminars for teachers. At what point does a school become good enough academically that you can start supplimenting that with things like extra-curriculars? I'm pretty sure we're well past that point.

Lastly, it should be noted that athetics have serious benefits for kids. They teach kids maturity and responsibility. They keep kids healthy. They keep kids busy after school so that we don't go around doing all those "awesome" things that teenagers seem to do. They help grow kids social lives and they are just fun to participate in. But for those of you who don't think athletics are important, I can understand that you want the school to produce smart, immature, social misfits.

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Nick

6:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

And lastly, taxes. First off, if this actually does get done, most of the money that funds its instalment isn't coming from taxes. However, many of you seem to have a worry that paying for its maintenance will come out of your taxes. Lets take a look at how much maintenance would be. To maintain a premium, top of the line synthetic field costs slightly over 100k per year. Just google synthetic field maintainence if you want support for that. Now, given that its highly unlikely we will install a field this nice, I'll round the figure down to 100k even. At first this seems like a lot of money. A starting teacher's salary at PHS, with all of the benifits included, is conservatively, a bit under 50k a year. The cost of maintaining a top of the line field would roughly equate to hiring two bottom step teachers. The teachers would actually overtake the cost of the field if they stuck around long enough.

No one wants to pay more for taxes but it would be an extremely small increase if there was one at all. I think people need to look at the whole situation before deaming a project pointless because it has a small chance of raising their taxes a small amount.

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Nick

6:15 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Also, I can't really think of a sport that cuts kids. I could be wrong but for what I know, everyone plays. They might not make varsity but there are more than enough junior varsity/freshman teams and intramural for everyone to participate in. If you really want to play that badly, you can.

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Nate

6:23 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Robert E, I know things get different. That's kind of obvious is it not? That has nothing to do with this at all. Nick makes a bunch of excellent points. You can't really rebut what he has to say.

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Town resident for many years

6:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I can't afford a small amount and neither can a majority of Portsmouth residents. Please stop!!! You always say most of the money. But most is not ALL!!!! Please remember that when commenting. If it was being given for free, I would be all for it. But I have lived long enough to know that free always means at some cost. In the current state of affairs, we can not afford any cost. Even though the School Committee thinks otherwise. I would like to know were they think the money is coming from.

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Portsmouth

6:46 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

And yes everything Nick said is exactly right! I am saying that YES, this field WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, but it is not a priority right now! Nate do you actually believe that this is going to happen to our school though, really.

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Nate

6:56 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

should be, our school doesn't do much of any other things with the money. Also, it's not just the school paying for it

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Nick

7:05 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

What exactly is the priority?

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Portsmouth

7:21 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I believe that there are several issues that should be priorities regarding the school. Keep in mind that they are in no order, and this is just a rough list. New textboks. In many cases, the books in the school are extremely old and outdated. In other cases (or both), there aren't enough textbooks for the students to take home. The leaks in the B wing hall way? The heaters that are broken and are constantly pushing cold air out into freezing class rooms. I do know that the art suite is constantly struggling to have enough materials, not saying that that would cost even close to a million, but it is something I feel should be adressed. Would it be worth it to re-do the track without getting a full new turf field? because I agree that the track is terrible. There are many existing problems that i feel should be adressed before we install a turf field. Plus, I'm sure that there are issues that need funding withen the community as a whole outside of the high school that I am not educated about.

Portsmouth

7:01 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Yes it should be, that would be great. But in reality it's not. Yes exactly, it would also be the taxpayers. And I know that they don't go to the school so they may not quite fully understand how much it would benefit the students, but still, I feel for them when they say that they don't want their tato be raised. And what about the new gym, and the additions to the work out area? What do you mean when you say the school doesn't do much with the money? I'm not exactly trying to shoot you down, I just don't quite know what you mean.

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Garrett Borrosh

7:48 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I disagree with all students partaking in sports and not allowing cuts. We have developed into a feel good society that apparently there are no losers. This is not true, there are losers in life and sports develop competiveness, teamwork and sportsmanship. Parents need to realize this because this feel good society promotes our failings as a country remaining competitive in the global arena whether it's academics or business. Athletes are required to maintain certain grades to remain eligible to play, no athletes are not. Children failing academics is not due to being distracted by sports but by poor parenting. My parents required my sisters and I to maintain B's or better grades to praticipate in sports.
As a graduate of PHS I think this is a fantastic idea. Not only does it benefit the students currently enrolled into PHS but also promotes families moving into the community bringing more tax dollars to the pool. I can speak as a military brat that attended 3 high schools academics and athletics were extremely important to me. After my parents narrowed down the school districts based upon academics I was then allowed to choose the school districts, no surprise I chose based on what school district fielded the most competitive sports teams. I was a multi-season athlete and graduate from both high school and college with honors and as a varsity athlete.

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Garrett Borrosh

7:49 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

This is a great opportunity that as stated in the original post, asking whether it would benefit the athletes and that it would be primarily be raised through private donations and fundraising. Yes this would benefit the athletes and I think I have pointed out also the community. And it is not being funded through taxes to build. It will cost less to maintain annually. I fully support this idea and think that everyone should stop trying to kill this town. If you don't keep families in the town and drawing in new families the retirees, people without children in the school system, your property values drop.

Nate

10:13 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Portsmouth, I can't find it right now, but I believe you asked if lacrosse cut people? Are you talking to Jordan or I, we both lax. For boys, no one gets cut. We even have first time players on JV

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Portsmouth

2:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I deleted my comment because it was in poor taste, but I was asking Garrett ;)

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Portsmouth

2:15 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

But I quickly deleted it, because I know the answer and I was being a little immature

Tinker

7:42 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Why don't the players maintain the current field? It has been said that one of the advantages of the turf field is they can have a better playing area for after school and when they want something to do. If they take on the responsibility to keep their playing field maintained it would be a great lesson in accepting responsibility to get what you want instead of having it given to you. Sad to hear all the tings things the school needs. The students time would be better spent if they started asking where the taxes are going to. I applaud the student's participation in the question of turf field or not. They should put that intelligence and energy in finding out how the money going to the school is being spent. This is your chance to make the adults handling money responsible for their actions. We who pay taxes haven't been able to do that. Perhaps you can.

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Nate

7:58 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Tinker, the athletes aren't the only ones who use the field on a daily basis

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Tinker

8:56 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Who else does? Why can't they help also?

Tinker

8:57 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Also, Nate, what do you think about putting your energy and knowledge to use by asking the school officials where the money is going?

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Garrett Borrosh

2:49 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Tinker & Portsmouth,
You are fighting with a high school student, very mature. Let me ask did you have to do the things that you are asking these students when you were in high school? It's funny because you are hiding behind an alias and the students are brave enough to use their real names. When you are to partake in this discussion as an adult please let us know.

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Robert E

3:59 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Garrett if you took the time to read the posts on here you would know that the person posting under the name "Portsmouth" is a Portsmouth High School senior. You shouldn't jump to conclusions not all PHS students are too selfish to realize the taxpayers can't afford this. The School Committee is cutting 29 teachers including some in the athletic dept. and you want to build a new football field

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Portsmouth

2:33 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Garrett I am a high school student, and just because I don't agree with us having a turf field doesn't mean I'm fighting? I'm pretty sure Nate and I are geting along at this point, even though we don't agree.

TAMORI

9:49 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Friends, those of you strongly in favor of an artifical surface, please look and some of the info on the links provided in above posts. Or at least research for yourself. Two major things you’re failing to consider. 1 – An artificial turf field still requires lots of maintenance in the form of regular upkeep and sanitation. Artificial turf fields have to be watered. The material and labor for all of that regular upkeep costs money. Will that money be included in the private donations or come from town coffers? My guess is that a after installation that the school/town would be stuck with those expenses. The studies show that a well-maintained natural surface is less costly than an artificial surface.
2 – Surveys of professional and college football players overwhelmingly show that they prefer natural surfaces over artificial.

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Nate

11:20 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

problem with number 2. they may prefer it, which makes sense, but we arent on a college or professional budget for the field. Colleges and professional teams spend THOUSANDS of dollars maintaining their field to perfect condition. we just cant do that

ConcernedGrad

3:00 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

As a recent PHS graduate and athlete, I would love to see an artificial turf field and new track. Especially if they are completely privately funded. However, at the same time I do not feel that a turf field is necessary. I grew up playing football on the current field and although the field does have it flaws, I never felt endangered as an athlete. I actually preferred playing on grass. If the athletic department truly wishes to benefit its student-athletes than it should look at facilities other than the football stadium. Currently, our tennis courts are among the worst in the state. They are considerably damaged with gaping cracks, that are not only an eye-sore but are also hazardous to players. If there is an athletic facility that truly needs to be re-done it is the tennis courts, which is the most publicly-used athletic facility at the high school.

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Tinker

8:34 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Garret, you aren't on the right track. I admire Nate and think his knowledge would have more long lasting results if it was put toward making the powers that be in the school answer to where the money goes. It is a great lesson for any student to ask the questions of the people with the money, not the people without it.

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Tinker

8:34 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

And something for you to ponder, Garret. Because someone disagrees with another person doesn't mean they are "fighting"

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Nate

11:21 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Robert, I still don't think you get the fact that tax payers arent doing this. When Little Compton wanted their new basketball courts, they fundraised for years and years until they got the money. taxes were not increased.

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Robert E

12:27 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Nate you don't get it tax dollars won't build it but tax dollars will have to maintain it. I said I would have no problem with it if a trust fund could be set up to take care of maintenance. As things stand now the taxpayers can't afford to pay the $100,000 a year to maintain it.

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Nate

10:50 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

We wouldn't have to worry about now by the time the money is raised it would take years

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Portsmouth

12:39 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

But you can't just ignore that and say we'll worry about it later and go ahead and build one.

John Applesead

10:52 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Sounds to me like a lot of people that don't know what they're talking about. It's private donations from the parents of the athletes or people that support them, and has nothing to do with anyone else. Let it go through, no need to be stubborn just because your kid isn't athletic enough to make a team

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Robert E

12:05 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

John Sounds to me like you don't know what they're talking about. None of us parents with un-athletic kids have a problem with private donations paying for the field we just don't want our taxes going to maintain it afterward. Nobody can tell us what the maintence cost is going to be and how they are going to fund it. If it is maintained through tax dollars then it does have to do with us. As I stated in an earlier post if you want to set up a trust fund to maintain it I don't have a problem but I don't want to pay for it.

Nate

3:56 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

another thing is, the field is going to be redone in the next tear or 2 anyways. and the cycle continues. I was told the amount of cash it costs to replace the field, but i forgot it. we should get something with better maintenance. and Robert, again, even if you have an "un-athletic" kid, they use the field every year for their four years of high school in gym, and if the weather is nice, they will graduate on it. I would rather graduate and have PHS represented to everyone with a nice, clean turf field than the muddy, crappy one we have now

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Town resident for many years

6:23 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I would rather have the kids graduate with good grades and a pride in their high school, who cares about a field. Mud is good..... we used to play because it was mud, fun, fun, fun....

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