NK,

It's called "satiric misspelling".

For those who only made it through K1-K12, it's also called "intentional misspelling to make a point".

Lorraine F
I assume you mean K-12, unless you really went to Kindergarten 12 times, which would explain a lot.

Townie,

Thank you for pointing out what most people could easily grasp.

I did note in the blogs your predilection for nit picking other peoples posts, which would explain a lot.

You might try something original to liven things up.

Manifold,
Would you like to talk about the Republican lead House that held up additional security funds for our embassies?

As to the claim of "smaller, leaner Army", this was based on the recommendation of the Joint Chiefs...So, I think they are a little more credible than you are.

Your claim about "ObamaCare" raising healthcare costs holds no water. Cite evidence of your claim, and if you can't, then stop lying.

And if you really want to bring up irresponsible statements...Here's one for ya..."MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" , Hahahahahaha

Two sides to every story:
"House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012....Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected. Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security." http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/10/breaking-protecting-our-embassies-costs-money

@OldTownie: I use to say: “The mission was accomplished when Exxon/Mobile got 80% of the second largest oil field in Iraq” but I saw today that the Iraqi government is in the process of tossing Exxon out and offering that contract to a state run Russian Oil Company. http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-wants-russians-replace-exxon-west-qurna-report-124254148--finance.html I also suspect if we tangle with Syria or Iran we will again be fighting the Iraqis (all Shiite governments). I guess before we can say "Mission Accomplished" we need to know what was the mission. IF it was to create an unstable Middle East so as to drive up the price of oil so energy companies can make obscene profits, I suspect we have succeeded in accomplishing that..

@ Manifold.. and you think that the Repubs. are going to "change" the minds of fanatics, murderers, thieves and liars? Dream on fool

Mr. Obama pretended to be interrupted.

Mr. Obama actually got more time than Romney (about 4 minutes) yet said about 9% fewer words.

Mr. Obama was trying to run the clock.

When Mr. Romney started to speak, and well before Romney even had his two minutes, Obama (the actor) would pretend to open his mouth (as though his time was being cut into when it was not), and Obama would raise his index finger and point as though he was about to speak or to indicate to the moderator that it was his turn - when it was not.

Mr. Romney was careful to show very little reaction to the President's antics. "Careful" because not in a million years could any Republican "get away with" the ridiculous stunts that the Democrats pull during debates (laughing, fake smiles, acting, acting, acting...).

That's no way for the Vice President and the President to act during re-election campaign debates.

good points CTT

It was the return of "Malarkey McSmirk"
Biden was…well....typical Biden displaying conduct unbecoming a vice president much less presidential
we've seen him before....Mr. never had a real job--lawyer (criminal law did not pay well enough for him) to lifelong politician (the taxpayers pay much better)
His recycled behavior pleases Obama-bots after the empty podium night in the first debate, but turned off undecided/independent voters

"His recycled behavior pleases Obama-bots"
It was the return of "Malarkey McSmirk"

You're clearly a genius. Do flesh out the deeper points of difference between the two positions detailed. You do realize that they're both lawyers and have been involved in congressional politics since graduating college?

The main difference, Joe remembers when they invented rope.

You should use some, Marge...

SHS yes he was a real knee slapper. showed him for the clown he is.

@ Margaret... your statements work both ways and for both sides. So what else ya godda say?

Yes, it would be much better to have a Democrat President and House and have SS and Medicare go bankrupt so that NO ONE can use it.

yeeeouch

"...it would be much better to have a Democrat President and House and have SS and Medicare go bankrupt..."

So, you advocate continuing the Bush Tax cuts and running foreign policy down the barrel of a gun? Social Security is self-funded - raiding the balance sheet to pay for undeclared war got us here. Medicare is solvent - are you advocating elimination of the program, or raising revenue to cover the entitlement?

You might want to dig a little deeper, although TeaPots make lousy shovels.
They appear to be mainly for smelting into bullets and kindling book burnings...

Social Security is not Self Funded, with the baby boomers retiring they are facing a deficit. According to the SS comptroller, it will go bankrupt in 2033... of course, that's four years from when I'm supposed to get it... but crap, as long as the Democrats can get elected by lying, then everything is okay.

http://financialsr.com/social-security-goes-bankrupt-in-2033/
http://ebn.benefitnews.com/news/social-security-baby-boomers-government-2724081-1.html

As for Medicare... http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/23/trustees-medicare-will-go-broke-in-2016-if-you-exclude-obamacares-double-counting/

I know the almighty Obama tells you that everything is fine... don't worry... just re-elect him... ignore the man behind the curtain, everything is fine..

I advocate making SS and Medicare Solvent again. Is Romney's plan the best plan? I haven't determined that yet... but at least he isn't ignoring it.

Since you asked:

"Social Security is not Self Funded,"

Yes, it is.

Social Security’s revenue was about $800 billion in 2010. The program has three sources of income. The largest source comes from workers and employers who contribute 6.2% each on wages up to $106,800 a year; this raises about 80% of the total.

"with the baby boomers retiring they are facing a deficit."

The trustees say that even if Congress does absolutely nothing, in 2033 there still will be money to pay about 75% of currently scheduled benefits.

And by the way, despite facing the worst economic conditions in its history, the program ran a surplus of $69 billion last year, increasing the trust fund to nearly $2.7 trillion.

LA Times April 25, 2012|Michael Hiltzik

I fail to see how the Ryan/Romney plan of privatizing these assets is anything more than a violation of the original charter for creating Social Security. Considering what happened to my 401k, that sounds prescient.

According to CNN, the Affordable Health care act actively extends the period in which Congress must act to rescue Medicare - even without Enron style accounting

The Ryan/Romney plan? Things come to a head in 2016 - again with the promise
of private enterprise saving the program. That's predation on taxpayer money,
and the underlying premise of this ticket - wealth transfer from the young
to the old to the Insurance carriers.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/07/politics/pol-fact-check-medicare/index.html

So, the person in charge of Social Security doesn't know what she's talking about... but you do.

Must be nice in lala land.

From one of my citations, "Social Security trustees announced on April 23rd, 2012 that the social security trust fund value would be zero in 2033."

But you know better... got it. No wonder why we have such a F'd up state and a F'd up President with people like you voting.

do you remember who move the s/s trust fund to the general fund? and who lowered the s/s tax?

The plural of "Arrogantis Interruptus "?

Twin red-headed bastard step-chilluns.
What are you, twelve?

It's national politics, not tea and crumpets at the Holy Ghost club.

Dang Joe you must have really "rung Naome's bell", I think she is foaming at the mouth!

exactly..just like obama walking into Romney's cage

"Called out", you mean calling something a lie when it isn't a lie and hope the mindless drones fall for it?

You do realize that Factcheck.org is funded by Liberal groups, don't you?

Factcheck is run by the Annenburg Public Policy Center. Who else was a part of that think tank? If you said Barack Obama... you'd be right. He was the board chairmen of the Chigaco Annenburg Challenge... along with such notable liberals as William Ayers (who Obama didn't know because somehow on a four person council, those four people don't know each other).

If I were you, and this is what I do, is take each issue or statement that you are questioning and look up the numbers yourself (not go to blogs or various right/left wing publications because they'll spin it the way they want to), and then decide for yourself.

If you want an example, just let me know. If it's something I already researched it will be easy, if it easy I'd be happy to research it and post my findings (with citations, so you can follow along), for you to see.

Obama wasn't prepared for the "shock and awe" of lies - he won't make that mistake again.

I love it. Fact Checkers are lying, not Romney. And I'm the mindless drone.

Right, Factcheck.org is the ONLY website that's created that isn't biased... ignore the liberal groups that bankroll it... ignore the whole "Obama was in that think tank"...

So yes, "mindless drone" is what I'd call you.

The internet is a beautiful thing, Bimbles. You don't have to go to place like factcheck or politifact to find out the truth, all you need is your trusty search engine and you'll be able to look up the facts from direct sources without the filter... but then, I guess, you'd have to engage the brain and challenge yourself.

I really wish there was an edit button. I hate seeing typos and errors in my comments and I can't go back to fix them.

@ Bryan..I've had to delete the post if it was short enough..then type over...other than that you're right..just post the correction.

I cite factcheck as one of many places I get my information - I actually take the time to research - and guess what? I come up on the exact opposite side as you. Go figure.

I'm so TIRED of everyone who disagrees with you (or your ilk) being cast off as mindless idiots because we don't agree. I am voting for Obama (and any Democrat, frankly, in this political environment) because A)I am a woman, B), I travel the world for my job and have seen first hand what Bush and now Obama have done in regards to our standing in the world. C) because I do not believe for ONE MINUTE the Romney/Ryan plan for getting us out of the deficit is anything but more of the same that got us into this mess to begin with, part because I don't agree with trickle down, part because I believe the supposition of huge growth because of it is a big one, and that D) that plan benefits no one but big business with hopes they are magnanimous enough to let it trickle down. Not to mention that I am on opposite sides on almost all social issues, since E) I am a firm believer in separation of church and state.

SO, I do take the time to research, I actually immerse myself in both sides and still I come up with a different opinion than you. It is possible to be informed and not agree with your viewpoint. That attitude is what is wrong with politics in this country today. Stop being part of the problem.

bimbels..you would also have to use the weekly standard with factcheck..the truth will be buried in the mire they create by off setting

Bryan,
Put your search skills where your ideology is. Show me where Factcheck or Politifact lied, skewed or mis-reported something.

Because I'll be happy to show you where Fox has done just that.

You keep voting for those democrats. You can see what a great job they have done in Rhode Island. You get what you deserve.

OldTownie, there are numerous websites that already do that. Though to placate you, I chose a subject and did it myself.

Luckily, there's one I already did the research for. If you look at this http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/ and go to the first section, entitled, "Small Business Smackdown", you'll see that they try to spin it to make it look like Ryan is exaggerating and that what the Chamber of Commerce states is only applicable if the tax increase goes to further government spending and not paying down the deficit... as if paying down the deficit somehow isn't government spending.

You can see my findings on the matter here... http://bristol-warren.patch.com/blog_posts/ask-a-conservative-bush-tax-cuts (you'll find further analysis in the comments below the post)

Factcheck.org tries to distort the facts by claiming that Ryan is "including in his estimate a lot of income from some very large businesses.", which... as you can see from my own blog, is not true. What determines whether a business can file under "S-Corp" rules is not the amount of money they make... it's how many people they employ... and as you can see from my blog, S-Corps and partnerships (which don't have a size quota) employed, as of when I wrote the blog, 52.6 million Americans.

Factcheck.org is deliberately playing down that fact in order to get a dig on Ryan and they do so by using how much they make, not how many people they employ.

"Who do we trust?'

Not retirees that whinge all day - while the rest of us punch the clock.
FYI - Chiming in here pretty much indicates our level of expertise.

lol @ "brighter"
That bulb evidently dimmed when last hair plugs inserted
foreign policy expert?
The Libya Lie (from the white house to Nevada to United Nations not to mention every news outlet) today has the White House throwing goofy Joe under the bus
thumpity.....THUMP!
they claim today--"Biden speaking only for himself when he said "we" did not know about Benghazi repeated security requests"
Pure incompetence & anti-American when they care more about not offending foreigners than protecting US citizens
Let's just give them the benefit of four more years since they were too busy with more important things like fundraisers to concern themselves with a terrorist attack on Americans
Really! they expect us to believe the entire administration knew what
was going on except the President & Vice-President? who's running this administration?
Oh Wait! Do we need to know that?

@ Margaret

"Pure incompetence & anti-American when they care more about not offending foreigners than protecting US citizens.."

Right, the former Navy Seals that were in Libya to "look around".
Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome, Margie?

There's no cure, but the treatment is painless...
try reading something that isn't a Roger Ailes/NewsCorp propaganda piece.

I'll believe a whit of the Republican opposition when the
Carter is too Soft/Clinton was always Hard/Obama gets nothing from us
Congressional delegation is a dark memory.

This country need to grow up, and repudiate the approach of old people
that got us here. Find some of that rope, yet?

Do us a favor...

"who's running this administration?
Oh Wait! Do we need to know that?"

I asked myself the same question, from 2000 through 2008.

Well that's it..You've solved the problem in one sentence =
"Biden sat on the Committee on Foreign Relations, at times as it's chair, and met with over a hundred foreign leaders during his years there. " Well that solves what went wrong in Libya..BRILLIANT!

hey bimbels....please call OUR white house....
Biden needs help! He is now under the Libyan Lie Bus!
read above.....character, honor and honesty will always matter

Leave RI I was referring to Iran when discussing Biden's foreign policy experience.

Neither you nor Mags here knows what happened in Libya. Hearings JUST HELD on it placed the blame for security requests going nowhere on a Clinton subordinate - there is NO indication the White House knew of any security requests from the consulate there.

I want answers too - but I'm not making any accusations until ALL the facts are in.

bimbels,
If your going to continue using logic and facts for your arguements, we're going to have to ask you to leave. Tea Party/Republican/Koch slaves don't like facts...it get's in the way of their truth...

Leave RI
I'm starting to thinkyour military experience is not what you would lead us to believe.

"Green on Blue" is a direct reference to Afghan Army soldiers shooting Coalition Security forces. It has nothing to do with Libya. And you can be sure that no "Blue on Green shooters" are working with our defence contractors.

Leave RI, I'm currently in. The pattern analysis wheel and the FP Con stuff is pretty accurate but I'm confused as to what you mean with the "green on blue" stuff as well. Is that an old term because as OldTownie indicated, it does indeed reference indigenous (not necessarily Afghan, though when talked about in the press that's what they mean) forces attacking our own forces. Indigenous is green and US forces are Blue. (based on our Operational Terms and Symbols template... though at times US forces are black)

hang on Miss OldTownie..that's exactly what I was inferring because of the assistance the Libyan's assigned to our embassy had them shooting our own guys..ok now..the FBCB2 (known as the Blue Force Tracker is called that because it tracks us who are????...Blue that's right you can say it..now when you attended the Battle Staff course you learned all of the colors right?..ok so the bad guys that are known bad are plotted on the CPOF as??????Red that's right just spit it out..now the guys on our side that we are allied with are??? Yessss Green..does this apply to everywwhere or just Afghanistan???good job Everywhere..so Townie I'm guessing your military experience involved a lot of messhall or paperwork or..not for long..so if you want to talk military anything let me know..otherwise I have no problem explaing stuff to bimbels if she wants. You oldtownie are a poser.

Bryan yes..
I was inferring that because of the report that the Libyan Mil assigned to us were involved with the attack...thanks for getting it.

Got it, thanks.

Please cite a source where Ryan states that. If not, then you are a liar and no one should pay you any attention.

Also, anti-abortion advocates are against it because they believe it's murder. Do you feel that murder shouldn't be illegal because "it's the government taking someone's choice away from them"?

When did Ryan morph into Akin?

Palumbo, If they truly feel it is murder how can they have the stance that it is okay to murder a person if a rape happens. That is the Romney Ryan Policy.

Mine too... It's because of two reasons on my part (I can't speak for Romney).
http://bristol-warren.patch.com/blog_posts/ask-a-conservative-social-issues

1) The woman does not have a choice as to whether to engage in sexual relations. In all other cases she does (I include incest... or molestation in that, as well).
2) The woman's psychological health is at stake... much like the stance of allowing abortion in the case of "life of the mother' being okay.

These categories, where abortion is allowed are much like how we think it's acceptable to kill someone in self defense, or the defense of a loved one.

Oh, that could read funny. I mean that incest or molestation would be considered as "not having a choice" obviously.

So buy that rational. Not mine, an innocent life can be taken because it MIGHT (but I agree probably will) cause some one psychological pain. The self defense analogy if flawed. The women is not going to die from having the baby more so than any other normal birth. The point I am trying to make is some who says that abortion is killing but supports it after a rape is then saying they support killing an innocent person when some ones else s mental health will be under large stress. But I see that view as a contradiction of their beliefs.

I don't think there's any question that carrying a baby that was the product of rape, full term would result in harm to the mother... ie. health of the mother. It also means that in those cases, the mother did not have the choice as to whether to take part in an activity that may get her pregnant. Where as in all other cases, she does.

I used to be against it in the case of rape as well, but then I thought of the above circumstances. It isn't an easy stance to take and I may change my mind on it in the future.

BINGO

Good to see you have an internet connection. Does 4 years of public assistance also include cable, cell phone, free bus pass, xbox, unemployment and health care? Of course there must be subsides for heat and the can't live without EBT card. What else does the contitution say you are entitled to?

I have three kids... I somehow find the time to work though and I'm not on assistance. That Ryan guy cares about me.

leave,dave,bryan GREAT COMEBACKS 5 years 4 kids,ain't life great.

@ Dave... I would bet a fortune (Roms of course) that you wouldn't turn your nose up at those benefits if you were down.. Be truthful.

Just a reminder, Romney - who also avoided service in a war that he was completely ambivalent about at the time. Who thinks saying the word "troops" in a speech covers it and that thanking them for their service isn't important. (Troops=veterans; corporations=people) Who has zero foreign policy experience and who manages to offend our closest allies on a recent trip abroad. Who insults Palestine while giving a speech in Tel Aviv. Who failed the 3am wakeup call with a hasty press conference before all the facts were in. No thanks.

CV
I've been through Carter, Reagen, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush, obama while in the military. Carter F-, Reagen-Bush Sr B+, Clinton-Bush2 B+ obama (enter wheel of fortune bankrupt noise) FF--

Since I'm not in the military I am lacking this point of view. What specifically has Obama done that is so bad to the military compared to other presidents? This hasn't made the news like some of the incidents during Bush's tenure (the stories of mismanagement in Iraq - billions of dollars missing, the days of inadequate armor on tanks, etc.)

bimbels
Just a reminder, obama - who also avoided service in a war that he was completely ambivalent about at the time. Who thinks saying the word "troops" in a speech covers it and that thanking them for their service isn't important. (Troops=veterans; corporations=people) Who has zero foreign policy experience and who manages to offend our closest allies on a recent trip abroad. Who insults Palestine while giving a speech in Tel Aviv. Who failed the 3am wakeup call with a hasty press conference before all the facts were in. No thanks.
sounds familiar? That applies accross the board to all the candidates including VP.

You do know that security matters are the sole purview of the Sec. of State, right? so why aren't you blaming her? Oh, that's right, she's not running against your wonderboy. Did you really think that the ambassador called the Oval Ofiice and asked the POTUS directly? Grow up

"I'd like to put all the political rhetoric aside, and ask a simple question."
Right - what follows isn't a political screed:

" Obama is a miserable failure and in my opinion an embarassment. Because of him we are considered weak and apologetic around the world. Vote fo Romney, a man who is Presidential, has proven business experience, a plan, and the wherewithal all to carry it out and make us proud Americans."

You mean, leadership requires the annual invasion of an Arab nation, provocation not required? Read Chalmers Johnson, and ask someone that's actually on the firing line in an FOB about armchair warriors ready to send young people to war.

If you're taking in more government subsidy than you paid in, and are retired
you've got no business telling young people the way out of this mess it to repeat your mistakes.

We've got more than enough blowhards regurgitating the Fox News take;
give it a rest CV - you're wasting our time with propaganda.

" Vote fo Romney, a man who is Presidential, has proven business experience, a plan, and the wherewithal all to carry it out and make us proud Americans."

You mean, he looks like your image of an American President.
Make no mistake, this election is about image:
the Rockwellian fantasy past or the ever-browner American future.

Leave it to a liberal to bring up race when it wasn't even alluded to.

I also love it when you guys say things like, "Armchair warrior" when you've no clue what you're talking about.

@Cranston Voter: But they do: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/barack-obama-ron-paul-military-cash.html I guess for the same reasons an "average Joe/Jane" would vote for a Republican. As for Lybia (in case you missed it): "House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012....Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected. Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security." http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/10/breaking-protecting-our-embassies-costs-money

@ Cranston voter.. look at it this way. What do you think of a military man who constantly sees this bickering among our civilians and politicians. Does that give them confidence. Not until both sides can agree on a direction for this country. I can bet that they would be embarrassed to explain to those countries that they are now fighting in why we are fighting each other as well. Come up with something positive or is that not in you. Go to ANY foreign country and see what those people think of Americans. Not good .. I can tell you. I'll not comment on the other things you say. I might embarrass you.

okay..Ill give you a piece of that since you didn't specify vietnam, correct about being too young..the fact that both never served was what I was inferring..obama is very close to my age..still avoided

I have no military experience or knowledge outside of what is reported in the news/blogs, so explain your specifics in lay terms if possible.

Any 30 year ground pounder knows that policy is for politicians.

You seem to be writing history. Did you forget who disbanded the Iraqi army against the advise of his "experts"? Remember Rumsfeld telling us that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms and throw flowers at our feet? Remember all those weapons of mass destruction we were going to find? How about my personal favorite, Rumsfeld's Doctrine...transformation....Yeah, how'd that work out?
You want to point fingers and place blame? Then do it without lying.
I Served, Proudly.

And I'm sure the other civilians here would be interested as well.

OldTownie, there's no such thing as a "30 year ground pounder".

I'll use my 20 year career as an example. For the first 10 years, it was my job to be with an infantry company/battalion/brigade and direct their artillery, mortar and air support. It was at that battalion and brigade level that you start getting involved in planning, analysis, decision making all according to the policies set forth by higher.. higher includes your commander all the way up to the President.

It doesn't take long to figure out which policies are good, which could be better and which outright suck. Sometimes that isn't right away, sometimes it's when you see the results that you figure out which is what.

For instance, Bush disbanding the Iraqi Army... at the time it was done made sense. We had just fought them... later on, I saw that it was a mistake. And BTW, the Iraqi people did welcome us with open arms. There were some places I was in where people were lined up on the side of the road cheering us as we drove past them. I felt like I was in a parade.

The second ten years of my career was different. Then I was more involved in the decision making, making the policies, ect.

This all depends on what job you have. You can be an Infantry Captain and you are simply in charge of your Company's area... or you can be an Staff Sergeant and be making decisions for whole Provinces.

It also depends on your service as well. An Admiral has less say so than a LCpl in the Marines, for instance.

Bryan
correct..you're read up on it...and coincidently I was a 4 deuce and 81 mortar guy for about 10 yrs..anyway..I'm doing some traveling in a couple of hours and I don't owe explanations to anyone like townie..I have three DD214's and an Honorable discharge after 33 1/2 yrs.
@.bimbels..if you're interested I'll try tomorrow or later tonight but I don't want this comment stream to become a military leadership class instead of the Biden/Ryan debate. It doesn't belong here

Ok, I understand so far. And so Obama is worse towards the military than anyone else because...? What specifically has he done, particularly that could have been worse than the mismanagement of the Iraq war under Bush/Rumsfeld?

I

David B
well said

Actually I couldn't agree more in regards to how this state is run and this will be my first election voting in RI.

katherine:
Please leave the moderation of comments to Patch editors, as explained in our Terms of Use. You can find them here: http://johnston.patch.com/terms
This is a forum for our readers to discuss the Vice Presidential debate. Please use it as such.
Thanks.

We of the loyal opposition have been too nice, for too long to the same people that would depict the sitting President as a witch doctor/secret muslim/socialist, etc.

You lot have driven this into the gutter, and deserve to get as good as you gave...

Excuse me Joseph hutnak...didn't someone get kicked off for such behavior. People should not be allowed to call names and worse without at least a warning.

katherine:
As I stated previously, this comment board is for discussing the Vice Presidential debate, and moderation of comments is the task of Patch Editors. Please return to topic.

Naomi:
I make the same request to you, to return to topic.

Thanks.

@bimbels
Black SOF = special operations forces like delta and dev-groupe (seal 6)
White SOF = special operations forces as in what you would see in the green beret movie with john wayne
not used in many CPOF Common Operating Pictures but they exist

"I'll go with either since neither affect me and I'll vote who I want no matter what."

That's entirely the point; the American version of the Taliban won't be swayed by
mere facts. The parallels between faith-based ideologies are striking:

Tea Party traits and beliefs that make them the Republicans In Name Only:

Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women’s bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
Pathological hatred of US government

Written by Aaron Sorkin for "The Newsroom" a fictional television news show.
It's an effective counterpoint to the other popular fictional news network.

Leave RI,
Your missing the point. You want to pick and choose issues and not look athe the big picture. Missing money? I couldn't care less. how about our whole involvement in Iraq. Now theres something I can say Bush is responsible for. Your military service soes not give you some magical insight to Us Foreign policy. Quite the opposite. During my years, if anything, we exsisted in a bubble. Then you go on to say what a terrible job President Obama has done for the military. Really? Show me the budget cute he made. Oh wait, there are none.

Has the POTUS said he will support defence cuts? Yes. Based on a recommendation for the Joint Chiefs. Think you know more then them?

Naome, you keep just spouting what the DNC and media keep telling you. How about you think for yourself... here, I'll help you.

"Ideological purity" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJFFpC4PmDw (watch the whole thing... it's you to a T)

"Compromise as weakness" - This is a funny one because you can see all the compromise with how Obama pushed his Health Care take over without even talking to the GOP. Or the whole "Accept our tax plan or nothing".

"A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism" - Most Conservatives aren't religious (like me - I'm a Deist, I don't have a religion)

"Denying Science" - Can I get one citation of Conservatives or Tea Party members denying science please? I know you're going to bring up "Climate Change" or is that "Global Warming" or is it "Global Cooling"? Since it's science there's no reason why you'd have to keep changing what's happening, right?

"Unmoved by facts" - Like the facts I showed you above about how SS and Medicare is going to go bankrupt and then you abruptly stopped responding to me?

"Undeterred by new information" - such as?

"A hostile fear of progress" - Because making up rights like, "choosing" and "free stuff" is progress, right?

"A demonization of education" - Such as?

"A need to control women's bodies?" - Because even though someone believes Abortion is murder, they should just let it happen, right?

"Severe xenophobia" - You can't separate Illegal vs. legal immigrants, and we have the problem?

The last three are just ridiculous.

Aaron Sorkin is essentially a fool, and if you fall for that brainwashing BS, you may be as well.

McMahon-
I was answering a question that was posed with the money from Iraq. Then using vicarious liability as a way to to say the commander in chief is always responsible in all cases. You're welcome to add to the conversation but you missed 1/2 of it. Maybe next time somewhere else.

ALEC is horrible, all that fiscal responsibility and fostering a better business environments for states is disgusting.

People should just look at how successful RI is and now that the above isn't the answer.

@Bryan Those believing private corporations will sponsor legislation benefiting anyone other than their shareholders is watching the wrong movie.

"ALEC is horrible, all that fiscal responsibility and fostering a better business environments for states is disgusting."

When it leaves the taxpayer on the hook at no risk to the business - you bet.

Are you suggesting that having an extra-legislative body draft legislation that favors it's constituents is an example of equal access to our representatives?

It sounds more like a bazaar for the whores selling favors to the highest bidder.
Are you actively pimping for them, Bryan? That's one dollar buys one vote,
not one person gets one vote. Your definition of democracy is at variance with the dictionary entry. Like I said, walks like a fascist, talks like a fascist...
wears a tri-cornered hat and waves the flag like a patriot.

Name one program that ALEC supports that puts the taxpayer on the hook.

I already know you're not going to be able to. Fact is, Naome, reading all of your fantastical comments leads me to believe that you don't have a mind of your own. You say exactly what they tell you to say, you don't even bother putting any thought into it.

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini

Stop the Monsanto bill that allows the planting of GMOs even if a Federal Court rules against it - thus subverting the USDOJ. http://signon.org/s/PS66NF @signon

1/2 day for my kids = half day for me.

Do you disagree that the vast majority chiming in here, daylight hours, are retired?
Do you disagree that the vast majority of these posts are essentially a rehash
of what we can read off the Fox wire?

Some of it is lifted directly from conspiracy sites.
(And presented as if it were freshly conceived.)

@ John... uncalled for statement on 7:02 Fri 10/12/12

We didn't like Bush because he accumulated too much debt and got us into a war. Guess what, Obama racked up 3 times as much debt and we are still in the same bloody war. Not only that one of our DIPLOMATS was just killed and the lies and cover up coming out of this white house are unprecedented. Biden just got on national TV and said that he and Obama didn't know that Ambassador Stevens and his people were asking for more security because they knew their lives were in jeopardy. Clearly the state department contradicts that statement so either Biden is lying through his teeth or if he and Obama didn't know then they are incapable of handling the jobs they have and should be removed from office. Either way they have blood on their hands.

@Rhodeworrier, your comment comes off a little obtuse. Do you believe that everyone linked to a republican or democratic party are the same regardless of the changes in administrations over time?

Was Hillary Clinton at the debate?

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome? This sounds suspiciously like the suspicions raised by K.T. McFarland, in the latest attempt to undermine the
Obama administration.

Anyone that thinks a bunch of former Navy Seals were just on holiday in Benghazi
is naive... this wasn't Tehran after the Shah, it was a cleanup crew.

Somebody isn't telling the truth, and that's their job, at the CIA.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/12/it-time-for-hillary-clinton-to-testify-about-what-happened-in-libya/

Obama takes out Bin Laden in Pakistan and you lot claim he had nothing to do with it... an orchestrated military attack on a villa kills a patriot, and you act as if Obama handed the keys to the RPG crew.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/12/it-time-for-hillary-clinton-to-testify-about-what-happened-in-libya/

Give it a rest.

@ Cranston Voter... Boy you have it down pat.... why are you not running for Pres or VP. .... you don't have the where-with-all to to qualify.

Paul Ryan could kick your ass (and mine), and still make it to breakfast - no sweat.

The fact that this guy has taken fitness and heart health seriously is sensible,
given his family history... http://todayonthetrail.today.com/_news/2012/08/14/13275527-luke-russert-like-me-paul-ryan-is-driven-by-personal-loss?lite

I thought these two very neatly carried the conversation toward issues.
More of that, please.

It's more about keeping the knives sharp, than dressing the carcass.

Given that it's a public forum, it's fun to take on the most egregious examples of
presumption, stupidity and outright ignorance.

@ DR... ummm .. my very thoughts for days now. Good one.

And thanks for the comment, Patsfan. It's looking like we may be living in Warwick.

Welcome to Kent County Bryan

Thank you for illustrating my point, so eloquently.

When a fully vetted, capable candidate like John Huntsman is derided for public service abroad and his bi-partisan approach to governance something definitive has gone wrong with the regressive Right.

Huntsman had the nerve to call Evolution science, and served as the ambassador to China under Obama. For that, he was pushed aside.

http://todayonthetrail.today.com/_news/2012/08/14/13275527-luke-russert-like-me-paul-ryan-is-driven-by-personal-loss?lite

You backwards concrete hillbillies would have legislation like Bobby Jindhal's
"Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA)" be considered as a template for
our schools. http://tinyurl.com/ca4mqng

This sort of Fascist retreat to the dark ages is precisely what the Afghans endured.
Go Galt, already - it's a good year for it...

Naome:
Please try to make your point without the name calling.

*Joe "Malarkey McSmirk" Biden*

That's still just as funny as the first time.
What are you, twelve?

"Back that moving truck up!"
Off to Galt's Gulch, at last?

Where should we send your Social Security check?

We're going to stack up lies, administration to administration then?

This is the essential problem with the regressive Right - you have 20/20 rearview mirror vision, and can't see the ditch in front.

When Obama sent the kill order on Osama, you cranks claimed he had nothing to do with the operation and could not take credit.

A military operation mounted against a consular office (described as a villa)
not a fortified embassy - a consular office - and the administration is suddenly on the hook for all losses.

You can't have it both ways, MW.

Have it both ways?
That's hot, "Na".
It remains to be seen if the evidence that comes
out of the investigations on Libya
rises above the level
of the stains on that dirty blue dress.

"It remains to be seen if the evidence that comes
out of the investigations on Libya
rises above the level
of the stains on that dirty blue dress."

That is precisely why people like me detest the GOP - the tactics of a witch hunt
that were invented under McCarthy don't advance the Nation's business.

Ambassador Smith was a patriot that died for his country, which you exploit.
Hyenas have better table manners than you vultures.

@ Naome Lixes... You might be very wrong in stating that Obama sent the kill order for Osama............ Now wait.... I read and heard that Obama had nothing to do with that. The statements put forth not too long ago was that Romney put forth those orders and was totally responsible for the killing of Osama. I could be wrong ... "just saying" ... another quote that I dislike.

@ Margaret. ummm , let's see. With every issue you highlight, there was no help from the Repubs. as of how to actually get this country on the right track or even move it in the right direction. "We'll do what ever it takes to defeat Obama's ideas and policies and plans" ... even if this country goes bankrupt doing it. Oh!, that's a small matter huh. Show us where the Repubs co-operated on any agenda? SHow us where either side came to an agreement on the direction this country should follow. You can't do it.

So which part was incorrect, ccryder?

The last budget passed was May of 2009.
When Obama submitted his last budget, he received zero votes in the House and Senate... not even 1 vote from a Democrat.
He has not come out with a plan to balance the budget, just to have it grow more slowly... yet we are already spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in.

Gas Prices are up almost 100% http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

It does take until April 17th to pay your taxes for the year. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/03/tax-freedom-day-april-17-wages/

Under 25 does equal 50% unemployment http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76395.html

Going to run out of space here... but which "statistics" is she off on? Since you have "an advanced degree in statistics", you can tell us why she is off, right?

The Obama administration has been slow to submit a budget, three times -
98 days in fiscal 2009, seven days in both fiscal 2012 and 2013.

It should be noted that the fiscal deadline in 2009 came in the midst of TARP and the Auto bailouts.
http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=276880

The budgets are being used to gain political talking points in Congressional races,
and have been subjected to "all or nothing" requirements.

Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who is retiring this year and voted no on all five budgets, lamented that leaders only agreed to hold up-or-down votes with no opportunity for unlimited debate or amendments.

“It’s a slap-dash method of legislating,” she told POLITICO.

I haven't heard any serious discussions of a balanced budget from any side;
until the fiscal cliff was mandated. Are you suggesting that slowing the rate of borrowing is a bad thing? The inflection point of that curve is telling...
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/08/23/Why-Serious-Talk-of-Balancing-the-Budget-Went-Bust.aspx#page1

Obama has been derided as spendthrift, and when that turned out to be false,
derided for not slowing the bus fast enough. (Moving the goalposts, again)

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor

There are so many misdirections and fallacies in the OP that there's barely space to cover them all...

Gas prices are directly related to demand, and largely outside the influence of policy making - for any President. Why have prices gone up so much?

We're not the only ones buying the stuff from the major producers.
Why are Americans justifiably peeved at this? We're subsidizing the producers by keeping boots on the ground in the Arabian peninsula and policing the seas.

http://gaspricesexplained.org/

The tax rate is the lowest in 30 years, which does nothing to address the debt -
Tax Freedom day has come sooner over the past few years (it was April 24th as recently as 2007) and as early as April 8th in the stimulus year.

What's missing is the understanding that you have to pay, eventually.

Youth unemployment is not surprising, considering Unemployment benefits
are based on the highest Quarter earnings of the prior year.
http://www.dlt.ri.gov/lmi/faq/rate.htm

Younger people tend to be entry level staff, and are less expensive to insure.
High rates of unemployment also depress wages and keep Union organization
at bay, both useful in suppressing wages.

"Since you have "an advanced degree in statistics", you can tell us why she is off..."
I'll take a stab at that, it's the intentional parsing of data to support a point,
rather than illuminate a problem - the way drunks use lamp posts.

That's both obdurate and uninformed, BP.

Great job using citations, Naome. You're right that the budget was passed late for 2009 because of the various bailouts. Otherwise the 2009 budget would have been signed by Bush before October of 2008... but instead was signed by Obama in May 2009.

Olympia Snowe is a Liberal... just fyi.

Naome, Obama has increased the deficit over a trillion dollars for each year he's been in office. If you look at this citation... http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

You will see that once the Democrats took over congress in 2007, our deficit spending DOUBLED. Then, when Obama took office with that same congress, they added another 50+% to that. In real numbers... with a GOP President and House we were adding $500 billion dollars a year (totally unacceptable), Democrats took over the Congress... then it became $1 trillion... Obama took office... $1.8 trillion...

The average deficit spending under Obama is $1.45 Trillion a year.

Romney's plan is to achieve a balanced budget over 10 years. You may agree or disagree with his plan, but at least he has one. http://www.mittromney.com/issues/fiscal-responsibility and http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending

On the reverse, Obama's plan is to increase spending by 4% a year... Increasing spending while already in a deficit is foolish at best. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/28/obamanomics-economics-for-dummies/

"Olympia Snowe is a Liberal... just fyi."

Again, we look at the same person and see things quite differently.
Given her voting record, she could be considered moderate, at most.
(Or worst, if you're using the Tea Party approved dictionary.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/olympia-snowe-why-im-leaving-the-senate/2012/03/01/gIQApGYZlR_story.html

I'm unsure of what position you are staking with the Obama budget and the Romney proposal - one is a working document, up for review in a hostile budget committee, the other a conservative wish list written largely as fiction.

Robert D. Reischauer, a former head of the Congressional Budget Office, expressed the consensus of many independent analysts, saying, “The proposals by Romney are politically unachievable, and the president’s proposals, while achievable, are too modest.” Jackie Calmes NYT September 25, 2012

The core of the problem is inter-generational transfers of wealth, primarily in the form of Medicare payments. Taking this program into the public sector merely transfers the bill from the Insurer to the Elderly to the young people holding the bill.

Neither party shows any inclination to threaten the support of these voters.
I believe the Obama administration has been stalling for time, as has every administration since Nixon. It's just another of the crises that have come to a head
under Obama's watch - this one has been orchestrated by Congressional opposition to unseat the incumbent.

It turns out, he's just out of touch - in Texas!

lol--You're out of your highly educated mind
those are the simplest of facts--not statistics--you disliking them doesn't make them any less the facts
I am 28+ years away from drawing on the funds weekly deposited with over-spending self-interest-only bureaucrats--I get it--legal robbery
Your assumptions of my status in this society is quite revealing of your highly uneducated guesswork

"those are the simplest of facts"

Your grasp of the causes is flawed, even simplistic.

"you disliking them doesn't make them any less the facts..."
What we dislike is the constant harping that Obama is the cause of a recalcitrant Congress that can't do the Nation's business - worse yet - the Republican side dying from the Tea Party tumor.

"over-spending self-interest-only bureaucrats--I get it--legal robbery"
Your rage is misdirected, if you want to get the reins of government back, you need to get the lobbying class out of the back hallways and put some teeth
into the regulatory bodies.

If you're in this position - your retirement is being threatened - choosing to side with those that would privatize SSI and enforce Medicare vouchers works against
your interests. Read "The Predator State" by James Galbraith for background.

"lol--You're out of your highly educated mind"
Advocating for the most powerful interests in this country to further consolidate
their position is what we dissenters consider insane.

Our DoD no doubt pays for this interchange.

How much would we save from our budget if all military personnel paid for their
own internet access?

The DoD doesn't pay for service member's internet...

Where did you hear that rubbish? I'm pretty interested to know because I could use the money they'd owe me for 16 years of internet access.

PATCH is blocking the link to DRUDGE so you will have to go there yourself. Try it. You might find something new.

The Drudge report links to the most inflammatory content it can find.

Alex Jones isn't exactly a paragon of restraint, or deep research and his site
is the second listed. This is part of the propaganda machine that has people
filling their basements with canned goods and stockpiling rounds.

http://www.infowars.com/will-the-election-results-cause-massive-riots-to-erupt-all-over-america/

You can read whatever you like from the Drudge report, but you would come away with the notion that the World is erupting into flames and cannibalism.

"IMHO Fox is Milk Toast."
Perhaps you could flesh that out?

NAOME: Please try to get a good nights sleep. You clearly need it.

"NAOME: Please try to get a good nights sleep. You clearly need it."

Why thank you, John. I do hope you have a nice bag of hammers to
carry on a mutually satisfying discussion amongst equals.

Not blocked! You added a period in front on mistake.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

It's an aggregator that lists bylines by relevance to the editorial policy.

The top four today?

Shot Fired Through Window at Obama Campaign Office in Denver...
Will The Election Results Cause Riots?
WIRE: Do black people support Obama because he's black?
Presidency 'has not helped cause'...
VIDEO: Dems joke they'll get enough votes to win -- even a couple of days late!

katherine..I agree you use Drudge at your own discretion as you would Huffington..if you don't like something go somewhere else..at least Drudge won't have you looking for your free cheese and cell phone (sorry that was for my inside voice) ;/

"Don't worry Naome, if Romney wins, the government will still take care of you."
I doubt that, considering my tax bracket and how my 401k was gutted by his
(and Obama's) backers, I expect to carry my own weight, and yours.

How many of you "boot strappers" are collecting government bennies?
http://www.economist.com/node/21563725

It must horrify you to know that there are educated people who don't believe a word that comes out of Mitt Romney.

I get my news from The Economist katie - presumption is the preface to becoming a prat. Get this straight, you clueless twit, there's a generational divide in this country that is being exploited by the money behind the scenes.

You lot are fighting to keep an outsized share of that subsidy, my kids are footing your bills - some code of personal responsibility you practice, buttercup.

Around here, your age contemporaries and Tea Party compatriots are actively undermining the only way today's kids can pay your bills - through education.

Old people seem to be exempt from this requirement.

""So which part was incorrect, ccryder?""
The original discussion you piped in on was referring to my views on the state of important issues to ME--my voting index card (electronic of course)
the question to you from BP? was:
The last budget passed was May of 2009.
When Obama submitted his last budget, he received zero votes in the House and Senate... not even 1 vote from a Democrat.
He has not come out with a plan to balance the budget, just to have it grow more slowly... yet we are already spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in.
Gas Prices are up almost 100% http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
It does take until April 17th to pay your taxes for the year. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/03/tax-freedom-day-april-17-wages/
Under 25 does equal 50% unemployment http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76395.html
Going to run out of space here... but which "statistics" is she off on? Since you have "an advanced degree in statistics", you can tell us why she is off, right?

your own keyword of course being "INTERPRETATION"
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"--Mark Twain I think?

You might consider reading commentary from other posters, Margaret.

These concerns were raised, and addressed, above.
The essence is that your presumption - Obama at the bottom of it all - is bogus.

It makes sense that people want a tidy summation of all problems with a simple diagnostic test and a surgical solution. In a herd so large as the US Government, with so many influencing the outcome through campaign financing, the
disease isn't localized, it's a parasitic infection.

Treatment of something like this usually involves quarantine and culling the herd.

I said it above, and will say it again, your rage has been misdirected by the same
rustlers that stole into the paddock and poisoned the well.

You're getting used.

"He and the 1st Lady must go to bed at night laughing at people thinking, how can we still be in this race after my dismal record on everything!"

More likely, he goes to bed each night thinking,
"At least we're not in Rhode Island."

" Never said I had the qualifications to be pres. but I do have a right to my opinion and free speech." And we're within our rights to abuse cranks in public.

"...no plan to get us out of the mess we are in. He had his chance (to at least make a dent) in the problems he knew he was getting into when he took office."

Every meaningful piece of legislation proposed has gone down in committee.
This has been at the direction of the Congressional GOP.

Your own party has been at this since 1994 - traitorous, complicit and liable.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/09/25/mitch_mcconnell_and_the_one_term_president.html

@cc-you and naome insist on labeling my independent rational mind
Bigger and better have tried
I don't care who was currently residing on Penn Avenue
This is not the proven record results I would rehire someone on
I would at best offer him Press Sec position
cc proves the rhody voting the purse locally but disregarding the gazillions thrown away by mandated policies in DC with the hopes of a trickle back
We all know this state will always vote auto-DEM for Pres--you have no threat to Obummer here--I voted for him & then recognized the lack of skills & experience left him over his super optimistic head
I have no need to threaten your job cc by performing tech analysis-thankfully I am quite fulfilled in my career
lol how does c'est la vie apply as closing statement there?
I am fluent in 4 languages if you'd like to find better term
over-educated on paper only? O dear! who does that remind me of?

FYI--naome--NO RAGE here whatsoever--just a vote which is mine alone to cast

"you have no threat to Obummer here--I voted for him & then recognized the lack of skills & experience left him over his super optimistic head..."

What part of this does not sound like childish envy?

"I have no need to threaten your job cc by performing tech analysis-thankfully I am quite fulfilled in my career..."

That's the only beef in your swill Mags - you make outrageous claims that you can't back up. It's like trying to discuss architecture with a brick.

"I am fluent in 4 languages if you'd like to find better term..."
Is one of them English? There are taxicab drivers in NYC that speak a dozen -
that doesn't qualify them to the sort of Obama bashing you seem to relish.

Make a policy statement (for once) and back it up (with discrete facts).
Do us a favor, come up with something original - Fox already has enough stations.

"NO RAGE here whatsoever"
My mistake, what sounds like righteous indignation to some is just ranting to others.

Jimmy - do you know where you are?

Do you know all these people in your room?

Do you remember where you live? Can someone come get you?

Nah Nah are you still on here. Don't you have anything better to do? Is there anyone who wants to spend time with you?

Okay 5 4 3 2 1 nobody home no reply..finishing the Pat's game and off to work tomorrow..be "back in RI" in a few weeks..maybe they'll be something new on the next episode of
"The Guiding Patcher's"..Days of Our Patch?..