He could have told you that Obama won RI on Monday with 0% of the precincts reporting.

Rio...sounds like you have some common sense. You should get out while you still can. Nothing will change there. You can bet on it.

It's done just to disappoint YOU, katherine.

I am not disappointed. I don't care what happens in Rhode Island. You keep electing the same people. How is it going over there?

You're not from Rhode Island, and you're carrying on about what happens here?

How grand. Don't you have some Hummels Precious Moments to dust?
Cookies to bake? Stuffed shirts to starch?

You are just mad because I was smart enough to get the heck out of there. In a deep red state with a very low unemployment rate. Paradise:)

Katherine, if you don't care what happens in Rhody, why post anything? I don't care what color state you are in but you are wasting everyone's time.

I'm not wasting anyone's time. I only comment on national things. I do still live in this country and I have a right to voice my opinion.

I'm guessing your a big Hunnie Boo Boo fan Katherine....

OBAMA WINS!!!!

No, I'm mad that someone who voted with their feet is playing in my sandbox.

Let me guess, retired to Arizona and still carrying a grudge because no one
"back home" cares (or cared) what you have to say?

Get lost.

None of you know me, so thank you for being so judgmental. I guess naome was beaten by her grandparents or something. She sure is angry about old people. To all of you...if you are still so angry after your big win I would hate to see your reaction if you lost. Try to cheer up. You got exactly what you wanted.

Katherine,
I, for one, could not be happier that you don't live here.

Katherine... Don't speak nonsense... or would you rather live in a country that told you how to vote and if you didn't vote they way they wanted you to vote then you would be shot dead. Why don't you 'leave RI" and live for 4 - 8 years under those conditions to see how you like it then. I think that you would appreciate our system greatly.

katherine, at this point it should be abundantly clear to you as it is to the rest of us that Naome's maturity level isn't much above that of a seven year old chimpanzee. A quick perusal of her other written remarks on this site meets the standard of the old cliché that advises: 'The proof's in the pudding'. Trust me, you're dealing with a lot of no frills brand instant pudding when you try to logically engage someone whose primary belief is that arguments aren't won with logic but rather by name calling and ridicule. Tactics right out of Saul Alinsky's 'Rules For Radicals'. She honestly believes she's a Democrat but in reality she's more of a Socialist then anything else.
Like the USSR, RI has been under single party political rule for over 60 years. The only difference is that the USSR was in better financial shape than RI is when it collapsed.

"Trust me, you're dealing with a lot of no frills brand instant pudding when you try to logically engage someone whose primary belief is that arguments aren't won with logic but rather by name calling and ridicule."

Actually,I prefer Jello. There's always room for jello.

Deep, incorrect, but deep. Preceded by this little nugget:

"Naome's maturity level isn't much above that of a seven year old chimpanzee."
Delightful commentary; both insightful and contradictory at the same time.

For those unfamiliar with Saul Alinsky (most recently demonized by Newt Gingrich)
here's an application manual:

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/04/13/12_ways_to_use_saul_alinskys_rules_for_radicals_against_liberals/page/full/

"She honestly believes she's a Democrat but in reality she's more of a Socialist then anything else." Mind if I call you a Fascist Twit, while we're trading insults?

So nice to have fans.

Oh, yes...j lane...no one is happier than me. Glad I could make you happy too.

That's all they can do until they are elected

Looking like Obama is going to win as of now

Sorry Pat, Obama's got this one. Doesn't take a neurosurgeon to see that...

Hey Pat,
Want to double down on that prediction?
any chance you bet on football games?

jonnie isnt your mom one of those?

Why don't you people look up the history of the tea party then look up tyrrany then come to a conclusion as to which one you would support.

mike,
Tea Party history? Simple, Grassroots organization started by people who want less government and a "return" to the Constitution. Quickly co-opted by several very wealthy individuals (Koch Bros.) without the actual TP members even noticing. Had one moderately successful mid-term election. Major accomplishments? Only one that I can see...the destruction of the Republican party through infighting and threats. While the TP may have been started with worthy and lofty goals, they are quickly becoming irrelevant, and the GOP is doing everything possible to push them out before the next mid-term.

The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.
They covered their faces, massed in the streets, and destroyed the property of a giant global corporation. Declaring an end to global trade run by the East India Company that was destroying local economies, this small, masked minority started a revolution with an act of rebellion later called the Boston Tea Party.
The Boston Tea Party resembled in many ways the growing modern-day protests against transnational corporations and small-town efforts to protect themselves from chain-store retailers or factory farms. The Tea Party's participants thought of themselves as protesters against the actions of the multinational East India Company.

Although schoolchildren are usually taught that the American Revolution was a rebellion against “taxation without representation,” akin to modern day conservative taxpayer revolts, in fact what led to the revolution was rage against a transnational corporation that, by the 1760s, dominated trade from China to India to the Caribbean, and controlled nearly all commerce to and from North America, with subsidies and special dispensation from the British crown.

Robert E - you're scaring mike.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/right_wing_mythbusters/

The Tea Party threatens insurrection the way toddlers threaten Kung Fu...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdQVx55_fs&feature=related

Filmed at the "Here comes the Apocalypse" after party in Tiverton...
http://www.jokeroo.com/pictures/fail/kung-fu-or-fool.html

Hey... jonnieh... just got home and on line. Great election in Bristol for Town Administrator!!! Things are lookin' good!!

Europe, huh? Fancy! Enjoy the Universal Healthcare. Ciao.

Bye-bye!

Where shall we send your Social Security check?
Wait - you hate Socialism, right? You'll be refusing, that - wont' you?

Jolly,
I love it. you complain about the direction of the country and state and then claim your heading to socialism central?????? Hi Kettle, my name is Pot, and your black.

Jolly...Good bye and don't slam the door on the way out.

Jolly..I'm not a fan of Barry either, he couldn't lead a drunk to happy hour but really..Europe..and check your keyboard..I think your caps lock is missing

Thanks, Yvette...what the heck are they so mad about. They won.

We are far from mad....quite the opposite, we are basking in the stupidity of the RNC

Katherine... maybe, just maybe they sound mad but far from it. Maybe they sound mad because you lost and you hate that. You are mad about the state of things in the RNC ... that is why you are still complaining and bellyaching.

Ken...I am not bitching about anything. I made a comment and everyone jumped all over me. I am a happy camper right where I am.

"I am not bitching about anything." "Don't know why they bother with the election"
Except when you type.

"I made a comment and everyone jumped all over me."
You made disparaging remarks about the locals.

"I am a happy camper right where I am."
Then why do you trot back over here to berate us?

katherine

10:06 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

You are just mad because I was smart enough to get the heck out of there. In a deep red state with a very low unemployment rate. Paradise:)

You're officially irrelevant.
Don't make yourself unwelcome, too.

Ken and naome...I came on here and said the exact truth. It is no surprise that Rhode Island voted for democrats. I'm not sure why you would take that as an insult. I would think you would be proud of your votes. I'm not berating you at all. Just stating the facts.

frank,
the right will be here in droves for the next 4 years claiming everything from "secretly a Muslim" to "Agenda 21".......

Sure there is... you're thinking about moving, aren't you?

Where do we send the packing materials?

RI is my home. I'm here for the duration. I will never give up and never surrender. My home is paid for and my retirement secure . I will fight till the death to keep our great country Free, Sovereign, and Prosperous. GOD BLESS AMERICA

This so called "vendor" selling smokes most likely does not have a license to sell .. period. Therefore, he is also not paying the taxes due on his sales. What he doesn't know ( maybe he does ) is that if he gets caught .. he will not only have to pay all the back taxes due but pay a hefty fine on top of that. THEN, they will look into all of his back tax records and all of his history. Anything that they dig up that is not legit then he then be required to pay past due amounts in full with no payment schedule. Hope he has saved enough of his ill gotten profits. Anyway, no matter how much he has saved on these sales he'll be in debt for years trying to pay the govt. One of these people who are asking for his name may be just the one to turn him in and receive a reward.

Joe Sousa. said:

>> I heard several owners of corporations around the country talking today
>> about their expansions over seas to avoid the health car tax.

He later said (above):

>> Sitting in a private club I belong to I watch the cigarette order being taken.

Whoa, slow down there, maestro. Did all this happen in the same place? Where is this high-falutin' private club where all the big-wig fat-cats go to plot their next outsourcing moves and score some cheap smokes?

Do all the men wear pinky rings in this place? Was Buddy Cianci there? Inquiring minds want to know, Joe.

I'll be down in Tiverton this weekend tagging my Christmas tree. I'd love to stop in. We could knock a few back, line up some cheap butts, and rub elbows with all those corporation owners, a.k.a., "stockholders".

Please post this private club's name, address, dress code, and membership requirements at your earliest convenience you big ol' mover and shaker...

"Nard"-Your post regarding Joe Sousa and the illegal smokes could possibly be one of the most hilarious posts made on this or any other website.

You surely need to take a bow for that post-BRAVO!

I miss Pat Paulsen.

Wasn't he a write in for 2008 - ten years after his passing?
Mebbe we can draft Kinky Friedman in 2016?

I have a better head of hair than Rick Perry; it's just not in a place I can show you.
--- Kinky Friedman

I predict a Whig party candidacy for John Huntsman - the only participant in the horse and buggy primaries that had the nerve to say he believed in science.

"leave ri"- make sure after you give your wife her daily list of chores and backhander, you tell her to keep all the single edge razor blades in your house away from you-after President Obama's re-election, you must be feeling pretty suicidal.

FOUR MORE YEARS BABY-READ IT AND WEEP!

LOL

b kcaj - this is low, even by our meager standards.

If we want to cultivate a loyal opposition, we need to be decent to the polite.
Someone stomps in here, and starts laying it on thick, that's different.

Leave RI has never been at least reasonable in disagreement.

If you look closely, you'll see parallels between Reagan and Obama entering a second term - neither put a serious dent in the unemployment statistics.

What's been missed by Fox news and the most conservative white voices is that BOTH presented themselves as populist, but to different populations.

Reagan embarked on a program of redistribution of wealth upwards, and military expansion without revenue to support expenditures. The second Obama term
is merely the pendulum swinging, back to the center.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2009/03/31/historic-whispers-reagans-re-election-campaign-and-woman-on-the-presidential-ticket

"Really this was all about making sure that voters would continue to receive benefits that the country and state can't afford to pay for."

We're in agreement there, which benefits do you consider unwarranted and
unfunded? Medicare and the DoD spring to mind for sober analysis:

http://tinyurl.com/ap8a56d
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/394/3112410/Next-few-weeks-critical-to-defining-DoD-in-second-Obama-term

Claiming that foodstamps, welfare (in it's myriad forms) and unemployment insurance are the root causes doesn't account for the largest consumers of
Federal funds - foreign wars and old people.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_pie_gs.php

Mike,
I would disagree. This was about the economy. And the two different approaches to "fix" it.
1. A balanced approach. Cut spending, raises taxes on high earners, close loopholes.

2. Cut spending, give tax breaks to high earners.
The question is: Which one of these will help the economy?

You do understand that this resolution is intended to stop gun running into
Arab states with porous borders, like Libya and Syria?

Explain how the interdiction of gun running involving assault weapons is bad.
Then, explain how the UN, staffed mostly by Indians and Pakistanis patrolling
their OWN BORDER - will come into their own and overcome the US.

https://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/contributors/2012/sept12_1.pdf
These are the same people that can't manage a functioning latrine.

Afterwards, clue us in to the other insidious incursion on our soveriegnity, the
dastardly UN Agenda 21...

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/agenda-21-conspiracy-2012-6668296

You represent the dead weight around the neck of a drowning Nation and the sooner we throw off your chain, the sooner we can get to shore. Get a clue, Jack.

Let's face it, you're like so many chiming in on a BMN fantasy - out of touch,
and largely irrelevant. At least you compensate for being both disagreeable
and ill-informed by your frequency in posting drivel.

http://current.com/13bm0kc

Brady group gave Obama an "F" on gun control, doesn't that automatically mean the NRA would give him an "A"?

Jack-You, Joe Sousa, Dan Gordon, and the other gun loving nuts from the NRA need to move to a place like Texas, where you and the other rednecks down there can play cowboys and indians with your guns to your heart's content.

You guys really need to grow up.

Obvious Naomi and J lane you did not read the link or the history of this plan and the ultimate goal. Yes it is included in Agenda 21 also from 1998. Like most laws and regulations on Guns. It will not stop the illegal running black markets, run by many of the same Countries pushing its passage.

To J lane, that would be incorrect since Obama was looking for votes from those who own guns and thought he was doing nothing and did not believe the NRA when they said he was dangerous in this reguard to gun control. As the article states many groups want total registration of all weapons and ammo tracking to all citizens.

Have we forgotten the Debate statement when he told the woman he agreed AK47's should be banned and then he slipped up and said others also. I heard it and thought right then (here we go, 2nd term will be every right he can destroy). Whether you agree or disagree. When the rights of the people are removed one by one the end of the republic will be at hand. This started long ago, with both parties and many other special interest. Difference now is they have a lambduck who thinks the way they do. Only the rights they chose will be allowed. My opinion, but it is all based on the facts.

On another note J lane. The Brady group gives and F to anyone who does not agree with their total ban on handguns and weapon registration for all citizens and limited sales. If they had their way, all weapons would be removed from every citizen in the Country which history has proven is the first step to genocide dictatorship. Not exactly what most people want in this Country. We tend to like out freedoms.

Naomi as usual can't make a post without personal attacks on those who disagree with you. Sad

Hey Jack,
How many new Federal gun bills were signed into law by the President in his first 4 years?

Oh,
And I almost forgot. Which President signed the Agenda 21?

Jack, if you come into an open forum an try to turn it into the Howie Carr show,
you're insulting our intelligence. If you insist on making the broadest swipes at geopolitics - from your LaZboy, you don't deserve slack.

Claiming "the dismantling of America to be replaced with a New World Order"
isn't even funny, or laughable anymore - it's deserving of ridicule.

Maybe your message would be better, with a little 'sweetening'...

Set the mood, things are rotten in Denmark (or Bristol, whatevs)
http://www.sounddogs.com/production-music/23/mp3/215457_SOUNDDOGS__da.mp3

The hidden truth, revealed..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9Pc1NBHgg&feature=related

Turn to the camera and say, it's obvious to anyone that can read the signs,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

Give it a rest Jack, you've got the credibility of a used car salesman, and deserve
no less than a dressing down when you claim some sort of deep insight.

Your opinion is based on facts - it's your facts that are bogus.
Let's be clear about this, you've been booted before,for less.

Oh well ignore list for you also I guess Naomi. Should realized you would never stop the harping on people who merely give an opinion. Have fun picking and insulting and name calling on anyone who proves you wrong or disagrees. The life of a prejudice and bigoted person who also cannot tell the truth to save their life rarely turns out well. Have fun in Karma Land. You surely deserve yourself lol.

"Should realized you would never stop the harping on people who merely give an opinion.." As was so eloquently stated before, you're as Free to express your uninformed opinion so long as I am free to point out the flaws, misrepresentations and outright fabrications. It's a 'circle of life' thang.

"The life of a prejudice and bigoted person who also cannot tell the truth to save their life rarely turns out well." I wouldn't presume to lecture you on your area
of expertise, Jack.

"...all weapons would be removed from every citizen in the Country which history has proven is the first step to genocide dictatorship. Not exactly what most people want in this Country. We tend to like out freedoms."

That's precisely the sort of bloviation that was tolerated immediately following
9/11 and has lead to the gridlock by your kind in this Country's every government office - as if reasonable people only see things your way.

We want our country back, and smacking down the sort of propaganda YOU spill
on an all-too-frequent basis is a good place to start.

You lot had your run, and it's done.

They do evil things with grits and seafood, down they-ah.

Besides, he would need to become a Liberal in order to generate a sufficient
hate-load to keep his boiler running. The man's a retired dinosaur with nuttintado.

Be nice to your Grands, use your turn signals, clean up your yard.

Those are the things that make an actual difference. The rest is just so much
hand-wringing. If you look past the news, this is the best time to be alive - EVER.

Think of it, do you know anyone that has lost a child? Can't find drinking water?
Goes for months without entertainment? Goes hungry?

I don't.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-selman/why-this-is-the-best-time_b_546331.html

Sorry English,
this wonder woman has about 20 Mensa points on Madcow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGm801-sV6k

I love the rant taking place in front of the Plasma TV...

How many grandkids do you suppose this 40 year old has, already?
I guess American Idol wasn't on...

Dunno how Smart Maddow is, other than attending Oxford University, and landing her own TV show when there are (how many?) women struggling just to be heard.

Her show makes me want to pull the curtains and eat a gallon of Ben & Jerry's.

Rants, of either stripe, make for entertainment but precious little edification.

At least reading the Economist I can pretend Maggie Smith and Billy Connolly
are reading the latest data points...

Lixes,
Ok so did Gretchen Carlson and Brenda Butner...now on the speedometer of political stance 0-120 ...Maddow being 0 (going left to right) and the other two being 120, is there any male or female in the 50-70 range?..I concede Oxford is not a give away school..you have to have some sort of grade more than my RWU 3 and change

They all say that they are for it, but it never happens. It's tough to eliminate something that helps you win.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/05/10/worldwide-child-mortality-rate-plummets-most-deaths-preventable

"Some, after twenty to forty years later still feel the pain. When I think of these family's, I feel pain." Of this, I have no doubt. This heartache was commonplace
to our Grandparent's generation, and is today mercifully rare.

"The question is, is just what is your point to bringing this up."
As I mentioned, things are better today, than ever they were.

"I have read many of your blogs and I wonder why patch still allows you to comment." So long as we meet the Terms of Usage, this well-moderated board is one of the few places that Conservative assertions can be challenged, on their
merits alone.

"You are just one misserable person that uses patch to just put everyone down."
If by put down, you mean requiring some measure of rational thought behind
the Grandest claims and wildest assertions, then I'm guilty as charged.

"I am totaly sick of your comments and if patch does not do anything about them, I'll just stop reading the articles."

If you don't care for dispassionate refutation of the fantasy world touted here as the unvarnished truth, I suspect you won't like the next four years much at all.

There is nothing more tragic than burying your child. I keep this in mind every time I see a flag-draped coffin. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/national/fallen/

People like me sat quietly while this was allowed.
No more.

For clarity BUS. I have 6 post and NL has 15 on this. I have about 4 post yesturday NL has about 48. Hardly comparible and my post are not personal attacks like NL. I was not Banished, I was suspended and returned about a week later for posting the definition of what an Internet troll is too many times in reply to BristolRI02809, who was suspended and now goes by the name "b kcaj" lot of thought in that one I suspect. What soap box? 6 comments out of 88? really. Only one who seems to have a problem here is NL who I also will not reply to anymore, it is boring and same old tired rhetoric.

I do not see a single rant in my post. Merely opinions that are mine on the article at hand. With the exception of 2 replys to NL to discontinue the personal attacks, hardly endless.

I do not answer the "b kcaj" post as I believe in my opinion it to be a dangerous stalker and will not give it the satisfaction of playing its game of see who I can antagonize today and will leave it to the moderators.

As far as limits. Don't see how you can have a blog like that on issues people are very concerned about. I merely post on those blogs that I wish to give an opinion as most people do. Have a nice night ;-}

Those are statistics that Democrats who have controlled this state for decades love!

High unemployment means more people on welfare, more food stamps, more homeles shelters, more federal mandates..... That way everyone can be beholden to the Democrats, who will continue to enslave the masses and keep them reliant on government handouts.

Rhode Island has become the model for this. Last in everything that encourages individual achievement and self-reliance and new business.

First in everything that encourages dependency on government handouts.

This blog and the views expressed here by nonacheivers like Naomi Licks-us and her disciples of socialism are typical of the Rhode Island mindset.

That is precisely why Rhode Island is in such a pitiful condition in its economy, education, commerce, and infrastructure. And that is why Rhode Island governments are so corrupt.

Thank you Naomi and Democrats. Keep up the good work!

Empirical studies point to the underlying causes of Rhode Island's stagnant private sector - poor secondary school graduation and "brain-drain" among the highest performers. Those with any drive seek their fortune, elsewhere.

And why not, look who they would have for neighbors, were they to stay.

We're rapidly becoming the anti-Montana, when those that leave put up a fence to make sure none of their classmates follow...

http://247wallst.com/2010/10/04/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-a-survey-of-all-fifty/4/

"This blog and the views expressed here by nonacheivers like Naomi Licks-us and her disciples of socialism are typical of the Rhode Island mindset."

Thank you for ascribing to me such powers of persuasion, it has obviously been my intent from the start - to make the world worse, just to tick YOU off, CR.

Since you don't have anything substantive to offer, by way of solution, why not
pick up a shovel, shelve a book, clean a street, do something without compensation
for someone else? Conservatives are always clanging on about how volunteer
spirit will change the World - and yet only show up to wash dishes when
they're already dry.

Vidistis, accessistis, querebare

http://247wallst.com/2010/10/04/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-a-survey-of-all-fifty/4/

Naome,

You can find excuses for just about anythig.

But let's face it, Democrats have controlled this state for decades and Rhode Island's deficiencies in everything from education to commerce falls directly on their shoulders. These deficiencies are why smart people are leaving Rhode Island. And here you are blaming the effect instead of blaming the cause.

If you were a person of reason you would acknowledge that this is a primary problem here and you would make suggestions to correct it instead of simply regurgitating your Democratic Party mantra and blaming everyone else.

It is a presumptive fallacy that the common cause for economic struggle in Rhode Island has to do with legislation and regulation, when it has considerably more to do with wage and infrastructure deficiencies.

Once you get away from the port, moving goods is far from easy in RI.

Newport, for example, is picturesque today precisely because it's so hard to
get there. It's not a recipe for development.

Need I explain the flight of basic manufacturing outside the US?

"Those are statistics that Democrats who have controlled this state for decades love! " This is the tired, no longer plausible refrain touted by the most strident of conservative voices - as if those who disagree are both intentionally causing more suffering and also profiting by prolonging same. Let's call it what it is - slander.

I would like very much to hear what your solution to this problem is CR.
I'm guessing it boils down to "Work or Starve".

The idea that meaningful work transforms lives admirable. The idea that replacing the leadership at a stroke will solve the basic problems (which do not arise from State action or inaction) is ludicrous.

It's an unprovable position that relies on Faith as a basis for the position.

Rhode Island is well-run, considering the competition brought to bear by
neighboring states that can afford to spread subsidies over a larger population.

http://www.rifuture.org/rhode-island-one-of-the-least-corrupt-states.html

Finally I understand. Whenever a response to criticism includes sober, cogent and thoughtful definition of a problem - it's an excuse.

When a proposal invokes chanting "USA!USA!" it's patriotism.
How has that worked out for you?

Wow, you took time out of your online D&D session to research my family tree?

How flattering. I gather you don't speak Portuguese, seeing as you struggle
with English. Mind if I call you a Fascist pinhead?

Face it - you're outgunned here, and yet trolling for a fight.
I would actually like to improve my Country.

I'll start by shining the light of day on what amounts to propaganda, when it appears. Because, by and large, the typical conservative argument is based on fallacies, misinformation, ignorance, religious dogma, low-brow base instincts, and outright lies, they rely on brashness, insults, loudness, and crass vulgarity to make their point - it will be easy.

All I need do is the simplest thing of all in argument - check facts.
Seeing as you don't use them, what could be easier?

I do hope you enjoy the next four years, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

"Naome":

Wow is right.

I speak 3 languages, but I needed the hint you provided to "get" your Patch User ID/Handle.

I wish there was a way to contact you through this infernal Patch service because, in my worldview, you are owed a beer. I say this because, political affiliations and leanings aside, you are owed one if only for having the persistence and tenacity to keep up the fight when you are so vastly outnumbered.

Perhaps we can wander over to Joe-Sousa's private club someday and clink glasses.

Good show.

For me, your homework is for naught. I've already deciphered Naome Lixes screen name and it is indelibly inscribed in my mind as "Sexi Le Moan".

Cool your jets Naomi... it was a joke.

Hilarious! I thought "it's" name was a stage name or a.k.a for Naome Russell.

Then thers this "Robert F", we have been trampled for a long long time.

Rhode Island was the last of the 13 original colonies to ratify the Constitution, entering the Union in May 1790. The state has had four electoral votes since it first participated in 1792, except for the 1910s and 1920s when it had five. Rhode Island has been reliably Democratic since 1928, only voting Republican four times – twice for Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956, for Nixon in 1972, and for Reagan in 1984, when he won every state except Minnesota. In 2008, Barack Obama defeated John McCain by almost 28%. Rhode Island is the 2nd most over-represented state in the electoral college, with one vote per 263,142 residents. The national average is more than double that, at 573,876. It also has the most electoral votes proportional to size -- one for every 303 square miles.

http://www.270towin.com/states/Rhode_Island

You really are crazy. Thank goodness the people of Tiverton were on to you.

Joe, I hope you are not surprised when the RI State Police, IRS, and ATF agents show up your home to ask you some questions regarding this illegal operation.

Joe-As a LOSING candidate for public office, once you heard of this illegal cigarette smuggling operation, why didn't you immediately alert Law enforcement? Don't you realize this cigarette bootlegger is evading taxes, and in the end, it's law abiding citizens such as yourself who are paying for it.

Once you witnessed this crime, as you say you have witnessed it many times, why did you let it go unreported? By not reporting this crime to the authorities, you're no better than the criminal himself.

Bob it's a civil infraction punishable by a five hundred dollar fine. This guy laughs at the law as he thanks the stupid legislature for the wind fall.
RI State Police, IRS, and ATF agents show up your home Don't make me laugh JAT.

If anybody would know the penalty for committing a crime, it would be Joe Sousa.

With his first hand experience dealing with law enforcement and the court system, it's one subject he is truly an expert on.

b kcaj . thanks for the compliment .You could do better if you would educate yourself . It's never to late.

"Check your facts, you imbecile, before boasting about what a great fact checker you are." Proving, once again, that you're an ignoranus.

Nice try, claiming I said the opposite...

Naome Lixes

6:54 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Empirical studies point to the underlying causes of Rhode Island's stagnant private sector - poor secondary school graduation and "brain-drain" among the highest performers. Those with any drive seek their fortune, elsewhere.

We've tolerated you cretins abusing the language for too long.
Those of us that read Orwell saw this coming.

The gloves are off, Skippy.

Naome,

You rant like a child who has been caught in a lie to cover up your misdeed. This nonsense couched in righteous indignation!

This is the hallmark of the militant liberal inteligentsia.

FACT IS that you purposely cited an article written two years ago with outdated data in order to advance your ridiculous arguments.

Grow up and just admit your deceit.

On the other hand it could just have been a dumb mistake as is the case with those of lesser intelligence.

What is hateful about pointing out that false statements are being made by people who have annoited themselves with titles like "fact checker".

When you make false comments here, there are consequences.

Just like in real life clarence.

Is Naome an educator?

"When you make false comments here, there are consequences. "

Yes, Just ask Joe. Or Tiverton voters.

"When you make false comments here, there are consequences." Does anyone live in RI? We don't have consequences for false statements...we elect you to office.

Joseph R. Sousa 2,164 votes Not bad . How many votes did you get bimbels ? I'd say ZERO !

Stands to reason, Joe, since a) I live in Newport, and b) I wasn't running for anything. You got me there, genius.

Me, a Narcissist? Not really - I own a mirror.

Why would someone like me frequent a place where I find so much to dislike?
The dittoheads and Nostalgia freaks nearly jammed up the works when those
of us with the benefit of an education and some meager travel weren't attentive.

"When you make false comments here, there are consequences. "
Quite right - at last we can agree on your area of expertise, CR.

Think of us as anti-virus software.

By the way Naome,

Your exact words where
"All I need do is the simplest thing of all in argument - check facts.
Seeing as you don't use them, what could be easier?"

Well I guess you forgot the part of checking your own inaccurate facts.

Tax evasion is one of the main factors in the fall of Greece, are you suggesting that this is a reasonable course toward solvency?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204789304578089082754150940.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204789304578089082754150940.html

http://6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/how-greek-taxpayers-hide-11-billion-euros-a-year/

Do you really think the IRS isn't a step ahead?

"Hide my wealth from the greedy who think they are entitled to it . Survival of the fittest as America goes BUST !" Your patriotic fervor is admirable.

Here she goes again!

In case everyone here hasn't noticed, Naome has a tactic of posting links to irrelevant websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the comments she is trying to argue against.

Joe-Getting back to this guy making $60,000 per year selling illegal cigarettes out of the local social club-Why is it that you have not notified law enforcement about this individual? The ATF, IRS, and State Police would be very interested in opening up an investigation involving hundreds of thousand of dollars worth of illegal cigarettes being transported over state lines and being sold on the black market.

You're the first person to complain about taxes Joe, but you idolize and commend this creep who is cheating the state of Rhode Island out of thousands of dollars in tax revenue.

What's going on here Joe?

I'm thinking about buying a van and going into business. Screw the State laws that penalize people who smoke. They deserve a break from the greedy legislature and their oppressive taxes. $40 dollars a carton ,I'm taking orders. Marlboro Kool Salem you name it I'll get it

That entire statement is total hogwash.

Newport is easy to reach, if you're already in Newport.
Try driving in on a sunny weekend in July.

14 miles from Tiverton to Newport. Mapquest claims 22 minutes transit time.
Actual drive time on a weekend? Drive time from Boston? NYC?

I love conservative math - anticipate the best possible conditions and lay blame on someone else when things go wrong.

I'm not miserable, Daniel, I'm basking in the glorious Socialist future under our annointed leadership and ten-thousand year epoch.

"Thanks to guys like Naomi, this State is doomed."
If by doomed you mean blowhards won't go unchallenged, then -you betcha.

FYI - I'm not entirely sure what any comments since 7NOV12 have to do with the
original article, it appears to be an encounter group for ticked-off douchebags.

Glad to oblige! Ready for that high colonic now?
You may experience some cramping -
in your neck.

Cheerfully wishing that you GFY,

Nao me Lixes

Maybe - here's my yearbook photo...

http://www.loupiote.com/photos/93904934.shtml

MOM!!!!

Accidentally linked to the wrong photo -
https://plumberplace.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/image_69.jpg?w=500

Taken the day I learned to lay pipe.

-my bad.

(You're not that ginger-haired kid that can count to 12 on both hands, R-ya?)
(In that case, I'm definitely NOT the first photo...and I'll say that to my P.O.)

@ Naome. An R.J. pic?? I'm confused...please expain.

*explain

@Ryanthegirl

You're the one with an IQ of 155, and you need an explanation?

"Okay, so I was listening to RI talk radio yesterday..."
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/make-my-derp

DAD!!!

BWAAAHAAHAA!! That's quite a 'unique' gene pool you're working with, Leave RI.

I can only imagine what you and your kids look like.

Glad to see you're treating this thread with the seriousness it deserves.

@Naome, My IQ has nothing to do with you posting a picture of Ron Jeremy. Are you a pervert or jealous?

Jealous of The Hedgehog?
Definitely.

Jealous of someone with a genius-level IQ who needs a joke explained?
Not so much.

@Tim
SON!!!!!!

All is not lost, there were some wild nights back in the free-wheelin' '80s
(The Boone's Farm was flowing, Duran-Duran-Duran was yodeling...)

Are you that red-headed kid what could count to 12 on two hands - good with
a banjo but couldn't keep a hat on his haid?

I may have misplaced one or two younguns, in my day. We had such high hopes for WWF stallions, but there were just more younguns sprouting up.

You don't suppose the rasslin' and the younguns had something to do, each with the other? It was a big trailer...dubbl-Y'd.

http://www.1000uglypeople.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=146921367

@Naome AGAIN my IQ has nothing to do with you posting a link to a photo of Ron Jeremy. How is that a joke or in any way funny? Is Ron Jeremy known as the "hedgehog" in the porn world or do you know Noonan?

@ Leave RI.
Not since the sex change operation but, nice try.

It was clear back in the horrible Clinton years, when taxes were higher on the wealthy, that many people gave up their symbols of wealth. Notice how these society dames have searched the racks of Target to at least create the illusion of wealth...the Republicrans for years have said that if you lower tax rates on the rich, the resulting increase in wealth would trickle down to the rest. That’s the heart of Reaganomics, and it’s resulted in the greatest disparity of wealth the in the U.S. we've ever seen.

What planet DO you live on Jack?

I note the time stamp on these, when most of us working stiffs are actively paying tax.

What were you doing, then?
Not so much.

Let me get this straight - your source for pithy analysis is an anonymous chain email?

That's not commentary, JackSS - that's spam.

I guess Naomi doesn't get it.

I do know that since Reagan, America's financial standing has slid.

Care to explain, seeing as you're clearly a genius CR?
Perhaps it's too hard to explain to someone of limited intelligence.

I understand that Enron had a similar problem...

So nice that another expert unable to parse a bogus line of reasoning has
joined into the extended conversation. Perhaps you know something we don't?

Do tell.

Nope Cranston NL does not understand a simple explaination of the taxcode. For NL the person must have numous links and citations for how he/she came up with the explaination and like Nard, rather than discuss how what the person said. It is just deride the messenger with childish name calling and insults.

I also guess posting an opinion other than a NL opinion is ooooh "NL TABOO". Fortunatly most of us are learning it is worthless to engage with NL on any subject. since all you get is NL posting nonsensicle links and derogatory personal attacks. But to each their own, no matter how foolish NL appears. Good for laugh every now and then though lol.

"Nope Cranston NL does not understand a simple explaination of the taxcode."

SO, presume (if you don't already) that I'm an idiot.
'Splain it.

Given the 300+ million people in the US and how this strawman only deals with
consumption taxes (which are Regressive).

Maybe you know something we don't, Jack?

I doubt it - but WTF - G'head...

It was sent to me anonymously and was posted how it was sent. Not my job to be the personal researcher for everything under the sun.

However it sure is a great explaination of the stupidy of some people and the problem with the tax code in this country. By the way, I am a flat tax supporter for the the exact reasoning in that post. ;-}

Also as you can see if you read the first line, I never said they were my words. geesh

I also followed your link which if you read the end of it you would see it is still the same thing that has been circulating in an e mail like I got. So what is your problem. You insteada try to deride the messenger rather that discuss the message with you "as usual". Grow up guy your starting to sound like NL.

This constant demand of providing links to opinions by other people has gotten out of hand. You don't believe what someone post then research it by yourself like you did. Was that so hard? I mean really what is the point of all this political rhetoric of demands for citations Nard?

It is discussing issues not school. We are not media anchors or politicians. We are people giving our personal opinion on something. Hense my first line. Best explanation of our current tax system by “Anonymous”.

What is the source of your as usual and where are the citations and links for that. See how foolish it is now. WOW

Sorry your knickers are in a twist there, Jackie. Let's look at how we might improve things:

If you started your humor piece with "I received this in an email from a friend..." I wouldn't have read it and I wouldn't have commented because I'd have known that the post would be a bunch of put-down drivel from you and your like-minded buddies.

If you had started with "I read this on Fox News/Cato Inst./etc", I would have read the post in detail looking for instances of bias.

If you had started with "I read this on Village Voice/The Atlantic/etc", I would have read the post in detail also looking for instances of bias. I would also look to see why you were posting it.

But, no, you started your piece with the incomprehensible, "Best explanation of our current tax system by 'Anonymous'."

I asked because I wanted to know: Who exactly is "Anonymous"? Since you made at least 1 post on Patch under the name "Anonymous" (shortly after your account was deleted), I couldn't tell if you were talking about yourself or not.

Again, Mr. "grow up guy", IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTEXT. If you help us concerning the context of your remarks, most of us will leave you alone. If you post words written by others and claim them as your own, or if you don't provide info concerning where those words come from then, yes, I and others will call you on it.

Of course you have the right to make any comment you want. The problem is, others have the right to respond to your comments as they want.

If the math adds up, what difference does it make where it came from?

Katherine:

The arithmetic might happen to add up, but the entire premise on which the amusing little piece is based may be flawed. Specifically, it is assumed that one day a benificent bar owner declares that he is lowering the price of beer by 20%.

Is this possible insofar as our tax system goes? I don't know and that's a debate for another day. I asked for a source because, if the piece posted by Jack was part of a larger discussion on this same subject, I was interested enough to see what else the original author had to say.

Again, if I saw in a link that this originated at Fox News vs. The Village Voice vs. The Wall Street Journal, each of those contexts might cause me to interpret the author's motives and objectives one way or another. If I knew that this was just some well-worn chain email attachment (as it turned out to be), I would probably not care at all. But without the information, I needed to ask.

Please take the time to read and understand the different authorship possibilities I laid out above -- and what each one means. Please also understand that, while the arithmetic might be sound, the entire mathematical model on which that arithmetic is based might itself not be possible. Specifically, lowering prices might cause the bar owner to go out of business.

That's what difference it makes.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
- H. L. Mencken

"If the math adds up, what difference does it make where it came from?"
This analogy presumes two things: that everyone drinks the same beer, and further still - that they're drinking at the same bar.

Take a tour of Camden, NJ or Fall River, MA followed by a road trip through
Princeton, NJ and Boston, MA - rich neighborhoods get more (and better) services than do poor ones. The presumption in this ludicrous chain letter is that
the central appeal to authority is valid, when it's vacuous -
Katherine's particular area of expertise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XAS3ORhEg

Here's the bottom line - DON'T REPRINT SPAM, we've had enough of that
masquerading as inspection of the issues. There should be zero tolerance
of this sort of drivel.

Nao me lixes

Gee Nard, still not a single comment on the actual post of taxes, by "Anonymous". Still pick on the messenger name call and derogatory rhetoric. Typical of you.

Not your job to tell me how to post on this web site. You have totally tried to spin it into being about me rather than the post. This makes it as usual to reply to your type of foolishness. I could post a 100 links to the various places it is posted. What is the point of that? The author is "Anonymous"!!!!

anon·y·mous
adjective \ə-ˈnä-nə-məs\

Definition of ANONYMOUS Mirriam/Webster
1 : of unknown authorship or origin <an anonymous tip>
2: not named or identified <an anonymous author> <they wish to remain anonymous>

It is still the best explaination of our current tax system, which obviously was my opinion. Any person with an ounce of common sence could read that kind of context, don't you think?

Let me know when your a "Patch Moderator", becuase you do not have the Avatar that I can see. Perhaps one will explain that to you as it was explained to me by one.
I would post the e-mail but that appears to be why I was suspended for about a week and can't use my old account. So again "grow up" and lose the "legend in your own mind" syndrum. Just a suggestion and opinion.

PS, at least I still use my real name as opposed to the other so self-appointed "moderators" such as you. Also by the way who are you to say I am even Jack? There are many of my family members on these sites also and a few others that are on my network server. Including one named "anonymous".

If you are going to response to my post it would be proper to keep it to the subjest at hand for an appearence at least of discourse of opinions. By then thats up to you in a free society.

Ok, Jack, now you're blithering. You said:

>> Gee Nard, still not a single comment on the actual post of taxes, by "Anonymous"

But, I said:

>> The entire premise on which the amusing little piece is based may be flawed.
>> Specifically, it is assumed that one day a benificent bar owner declares that he
>> is lowering the price of beer by 20%.
>> Is this possible insofar as our tax system goes?

So I did make a single comment. Perhaps you meant that I didn't make a single comment you could understand?

Never mind. You later said:

>> at least I still use my real name as opposed to the other so self-appointed
>> "moderators" such as you

But then, in the very next sentence, you drooled:

>> Also by the way who are you to say I am even Jack?

Which is it? Are you using your "real name" (in which case you're Jack) or are you saying that even though you're using your real name, I'm still not able to infer that you're Jack?

Ooooh, I need to sit down. Your dizziness seems to be infectious.


>> Let me know when your a "Patch Moderator", becuase you do not have the
>> Avatar that I can see

I'm not a Patch Moderator, but I changed my Avatar to a goofy Husky playing dead. Is that ok?

Always a pleasure to exchange views with you and, if not you, "your family members on these sites". Please pardon my abrupt departure, but I need to slip on my "Legend in My Own Mind" costume and soar over tall buildings and other cool stuff. See you later, Jack(?)

"It was sent to me anonymously and was posted how it was sent. Not my job to be the personal researcher for everything under the sun."

It takes moments to trash a hotel room, hours to put things in order.

There's nothing remotely accurate about this "Beer Drinking Tax Analogy" -
the fact that you cut and paste what amounts to a chain letter shows the depths of your depravity; you're not only intellectually lazy (see above) you're also perpetuating another internet-based myth that no one claims.

Why not?

Because it's laughable and doesn't deserve more air time now, nor did it when it was first propagated, back in 2008.

Get real, Old Man.

"It is still the best explaination of our current tax system, which obviously was my opinion. Any person with an ounce of common sence could read that kind of context, don't you think?"

Actually, it's a simplistic steaming load that should be flushed.

(Note how long the explanation of the working tax code REALLY is...)
http://www.viralgrapevine.com/how-tax-cuts-work-by-david-r-kamerschen-refuted-the-real-way-tax-work-removing-the-internet-garbage/

U.S. Representative Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO)

"The Bible, the guide of our lives, is 1,291 pages and contains 774,746 words. But the Tax Code and its regulations which are referred to by some as, 'a person's worst nightmare come true' is 9,471 pages and over 7 million words."

"Bigmanny"-You hit it right on the head-Jack Baillargeron likes to throw stones, but he flips out when anyone throws a stone back at him. It's no wonder the Patch banned him from posting-they should have banned him permanently.

But then again, would you expect anything less from a guy like Jack, who supports Dan Gordon and chums around with Joe Sousa?

"Okay, so I was listening to RI talk radio yesterday..."

Let me stop you, right there. If you think, for one minute, that Talk Radio is designed to educate the public, or illustrate solutions to a problem, you're misled...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRmgJw8muw
http://www.evesmag.com/winchell.htm

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -H. L. Mencken

Liberal radio failed for lack of an audience.

Rather than listen to what we already now, we prefer music. Conservative radio talks a good game, it just doesn't produce meaningful results - other than a ticked-off, under informed electorate that thinks getting elected is easy.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2329/news-media-organizations-believability-credibility-newspaper-cable-news-fox-new-york-times-network-local-partisan-npr-outlet-rating

Let me get this straight, Naome... So your saying Liberals are more informed. Liberals don't listen to talk radio. And you're saying that first-hand reportin by involved individuals on local talk radio doesn't qualify as a legit source of news.

Bill that's why they call it talk radio not news radio all it is is political propaganda. you don't get news from propagandea you just get brainwashed.

@Jealous of or longing for Ron Jeremy Naome, the inordinate, monotonous links to nowhere have to stop. Do you use irrelevant internet links in all aspects of life or just for show?

Do you use irrelevant internet links in all aspects of life or just for show?

I wouldn't presume to lecture you on relevance, or irrelevance RTG.
Clearly, you have more experience in divining the former and achieving the latter.

Ever get the feeling that everyone else gets the joke - 'ceptin you?
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/fun/trekkie.html

Joe no corporate sponsorship is a good thing it just proves that insted of the Koch brothers propaganda they are dealing in real facts. You just made the case for liberal radio. I am sorry if it bothers you that there are those of us who still refuse to kiss the butts of the millionares. If you want to bow down to your overloards and beg for their table scraps thats fine but some of us still beleave in this country.

Exactly Joe...the Democrats and Liberals are now a bunch of Takers...what's in it for me, me, me and forget about the future generations. They live in the moment. That is what the Dem party has now become. They don't want to know the facts, because the facts deal in reality and they are living in a belief system that now rallies around "what you can get now and get it for free from someone else"

"...the Democrats and Liberals are now a bunch of Takers...what's in it for me, me, me and forget about the future generations."

That must be why so many of us have bank accounts in the Caymans.

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

–John Kenneth Galbraith

It is inconceivable that we could get to the Moon today - it would be pilloried
as a Socialist boondoggle. We like facts. We just don't like facts that can't be proven, or worse yet - have already been refuted.

"...they are living in a belief system that now rallies around "what you can get now and get it for free from someone else."

So - WE get "KoolAde" and you cretins get "Sour Grapes".

Go Galt, already.

Wasn't it the fascists who took everyone's guns away. When they start to disarm the citizens that's when we can start to worry

When they start carrying guns into the State House, it's no longer democracy.

How's the weather, Katy? It's a fine Winter day, here in Rhody.
You should come back and visit, REAL soon.

katherine
9:26 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
I am not disappointed. I don't care what happens in Rhode Island. You keep electing the same people. How is it going over there?

katherine
10:06 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
You are just mad because I was smart enough to get the heck out of there. In a deep red state with a very low unemployment rate. Paradise:)

katherine
12:13 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I'm not wasting anyone's time. I only comment on national things. I do still live in this country and I have a right to voice my opinion.

city slicker
11:38 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Katherine, if you don't care what happens in Rhody, why post anything? I don't care what color state you are in but you are wasting everyone's time.

It would, however, be a mistake to count them out.

If we want to put our country back on track to what makes us proud to be American,
we can't let them back into our school committees, boards of education or local representation - their intent is nothing short of a Theocracy.

I believe their handbook is available online;
http://tinyurl.com/6btlp9a

If it could happen in New Hampshire, it could happen anywhere;
http://nashua.patch.com/articles/poll-will-you-miss-speaker-o-brien

When they start carrying weapons in the State House, fascism has arrived.

Naome...Bull. And why are you commenting about New Hampshire? You don't live there.

Katherine - you're irrelevant and peevish.

Go knit a sweater, join a book club, take twelve steps off an eleven step pier.
Go play in your own patch, if they'll tolerate another pointless Yankee hump...

Jerry:

What you said is not true. The number of RI residents "on welfare" is closer to 2%. Even if you expand the definition of "on welfare" to include the number of RI residents receiving *any* type of public assistance (e.g, free or reduced-cost school lunch programs, Medicare, food stamps, etc.), the total, all-in number is just over 25% of the state.

Our welfare rate is way too high, but that doesn't mean you get to make up numbers to support your point. If you disagree with this, please provide a source for your statement that "40% of RI residents are on welfare".

If you're referring to the assertion of Colleen Conley that ""We are the most generous in New England and New England is known for its generosity toward its welfare recipients." that's been debunked.

"After all, social service spending costs residents nearly $1.1 billion a year and makes up nearly 40 percent of the general revenue budget."

That's medicaid and medicare payments to vendors - physician's and hospitals.
http://tinyurl.com/dyme7lv

Why does Rhode Island spend so much more?

"We have very high residential care costs," said Sasse, a factor others have noted.

In addition, Rhode Island covers some services regarded as "optional" by the federal government, such as adult daycare, assisted living for the elderly and hospice care for the dying.

Fred Sneesby, spokesman for the state Department of Human Services, said in April after we published our earlier item that it's important to consider "other fiscally meaningful differences among states; for example, the percentage of disabled and elderly in Rhode Island is significantly higher than in neighboring states as well as the national average."

http://tinyurl.com/b2ydx3f

In short, you're clanging on about "Welfare Queens" when it's old people racking up these bills. Did THEY vote for Obama?

Not likely.

Yeah, after the first week I thought - what next?

How many replies ever have relevance to the OP, anyway?
We could just assign numbers to the canned responses of regular posters...

..what? this isn't ancestry.com...what the..duped again

Now, I didn't want to disappoint anyone...

http://vampjac.com/lj/humor/gygax/supers3.jpg

Now my word bubble says "Please flag as inappropriate..for my sake..please"

"Now my word bubble says "Please flag as inappropriate..for my sake..please"

But that's my dress helmet! I don't consider formal wear, every day.

I can see it now, "Yellow brick road hits The Wall".

Dorothy, Tin Man, Scarecrow and Pink go to the Dark Side of the Moon.
Maybe ALW will come out of retirement for THAT!

Who gets cast as Dorothy?

I would have cast Taylor Swift, but she's busy filming the remake of "War and Peace - the Seussical".

Lance Armstrong should be available for the bicycle gig...
Toto to be portrayed by Donald Trump's "Tuesday" hairpiece...

..and the wizard behind the curtain....Phil Steen

Tiverton plant is not online. It's a "peaker", only used when needed and the base price for it's electricity is somewhere around 30 cents per Kw. So what was the point of your babbling?

What a lot of hot air.

I'm guessing you live somewhere near this proposed Maginot line of eggbeaters?
"The USN would be better served in joining the three other Aquidneck Island Communities in addressing the common problem of bloated and out of control electrical utility rates." - SO, you're proposing Command and Control over utilities?

That sort of approach should make you popular with this crowd.

It's mystifying - that "Patriots" don't want a renewable power source that leaves no exhaust, no decaying isotopes no flattened West Virginia hills or tainted water -
when the solution is literally in their backyard.

Considering the OP is about Obama - this screed is sited incorrectly and generates nothing less than a nuisance headache - at the expense of your sleep.

If WTS can be treated by cash stipends (let's call it what it is - a shakedown)
what will insomniacs like Bill do for a soap box.

It's not as if you haven't made your view clear, ad nauseum...

http://enfield.patch.com/users/william-f-horan

You're qualified to discuss this the way children are qualified to play pro football.

The fact that you're again recycling this "Beer Drinking Tax Analogy" points to a fundamental inability to grasp a simple truth - the whole notion is false.

Even the economist who was falsely credited with this trope won't consider it:
http://davidk.myweb.uga.edu/

It's this dimwitted assertion that every cockeyed load you purvey deserves a hearing that's genuinely annoying, Jack. We want our country back from you, and your kind - those that think a turd wrapped up in a bow is a present.

You've no business experience, government office or advanced education to back up whatever tedious chain letter you've decided is a "must read".

Do us a favor - don't reprint anymore trash.

Let's say 10 guys go to the bar and the bill comes out to $100 for 10 beers. (It's a nice beer joint, OK?)

The poorest 5 only pay the tip and the sales tax but not the main bill but they have to split a quarter of a GLASS of beer among themselves. $20

The next poorest three or the shrinking middle class in this case split a quarter glass themsleves - $30.

The second richest gets a glass and a half of beer - $15.

Finally the richest individual gets 8 beers - $35

This...is really a much more accurate analogy for what is ACTUALLY happening and what has happened over the last 30 years of trickle-on economics.

Yes the richest pay the most on their take, paying less in relative terms.

I know this will only result in a ton of worthless links and more from the self proclaimed Moderator. However your anology is not even close to the simplistic one I posted.

"Yes the richest pay the most on their take, paying less in relative terms" now theres a joke. You want to have more money than sacrifice other things in life and work hard to get to the happy place you want in your station if life. Other than that it is just jealous of those who have a better work ethic and are more ambitious than you. logical and simple. Now bother someone else you bore me except for the silliness of some of your post lol.

nuff said.

PS It's not "Take" It is called earnings, try it some time.

If the beer is analgous to government service, Naome's logic is entirely wrong (go figure). Everyone gets the same quantity of beer (roads, defense, education) Actually, when below a certain point, those at the bottom of the economic ladder get more. If you set the value of a beer at $10, those at the bottom pay nothing, those at the top pay a highe percent and real dollar amount. If, however, you want to make an accurate anology, there would be 2 poor people paying nothing and each drinking a beer. There would be 2 rich people each drinking a beer. There would be 100 people splitting the remaining 6 beers, each paying full price for a beer because they have to pay for the share of beer for the poor plus the share of beer for the rich plus the Congressional set asides to pay off the cops so they don't get arrested for drunk driving.

Naomi,

You have just done a fair job at describing Capitalism. Which pretty much is the way this country has operated for the previous 236 years. You just left out the part where the people who go to the bar with no money get no beer. Bars work this way because they would go bankrupt if they did not.... like governments.

What you and your friend leaches of our society would really like, is that everyone who enters into the bar gets allotted a certain amount of beer whether they paid or not. Then they would go back home and sit on their fat asses in a drunken stupor until the next morning when get up and they do it all over again. And the bar owner sends a bill for all beer consumed to the federal government. The federal government pays the owner of the bar 50% of the value of the beer and he gets to bear the other 50% of the cost.

That is the new form of socialism being offered by you and your fanatic liberal friends and our current president.

"What you and your friend leaches of our society would really like, is that everyone who enters into the bar gets allotted a certain amount of beer whether they paid or not. Then they would go back home and sit on their fat asses in a drunken stupor until the next morning when get up and they do it all over again."

Actually, that's an apt description of what it's like right here at the patch.
The bandwidth is consumed most by those that contribute the least.

Nice try, again, attempting to make me defend something I did not say.

Straw Man - one of the commonest of fallacies. It is endemic in public debates on politics, ethics, and religion. A straw man argument occurs in the context of a debate―formal or informal―when one side attacks a position―the "straw man"―not held by the other side, then acts as though the other side's position has been refuted.

"That is the new form of socialism being offered by you and your fanatic liberal friends and our current president." Mind if I call you a Fascist nozzle, while we're trading insults?

Honestly, you couldn't find your ass with two hands, a flashlight and a manual.

really jack b whats business do you own or owned in the past.

Would add Joe. There is already infaltion out of control and all we have to do is look at or Bills. Just because the Government does not include Food and Energy in the index, does not mean it is not happening and it sure is all a way lot more than 4 years ago from my shopping. ;-}

"Just because the Government does not include Food and Energy in the index"
- no regr allia b

Actually, they do:
What goods and services does the CPI cover?

The CPI represents all goods and services purchased for consumption by the reference population (U or W) BLS has classified all expenditure items into more than 200 categories, arranged into eight major groups. Major groups and examples of categories in each are as follows:

FOOD AND BEVERAGES (breakfast cereal, milk, coffee, chicken, wine, full service meals, snacks)
HOUSING (rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, fuel oil, bedroom furniture)
APPAREL (men's shirts and sweaters, women's dresses, jewelry)
TRANSPORTATION (new vehicles, airline fares, gasoline, motor vehicle insurance)
MEDICAL CARE (prescription drugs and medical supplies, physicians' services, eyeglasses and eye care, hospital services)
RECREATION (televisions, toys, pets and pet products, sports equipment, admissions);
EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION (college tuition, postage, telephone services, computer software and accessories);
OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES (tobacco and smoking products, haircuts and other personal services, funeral expenses).

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htm

Are you making this up as you go along, Jack?
If so, don't you think an itty-bitty line of research is in order?

Maybe we should just presume everything you say is fictional.
That would make it easy on us all.

Here are some further links for you to disregard at your leisure:

http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2008/07/02/tearing-apart-the-consumer-price-index.aspx

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/03/13/the-cpi-is-a-conspiracy-or-maybe-you-just-dont-un.aspx

Isn't math FUN!

And then, you sit down to your keyboard...

"So three ducks, a bricklayer and a rabbi walk into the IRS office..."

yesssss..and don't forget to tip the bartenders and waitresses..brrrrmp bmmmp

You may ask.

" You have commented 44 times on this article alone."
Come on 300!

"And the comments go on and on."
Complex problems defy simple explanations - sort of why governance is often compared to making sausage, there's a lot crammed into each link.

"And most of them are degrading other bloggers."
Insulting our intelligence with reprints of chain letters and talk radio is degrading.

Some powerful interests used this sort of idiocy to throw sand in the works of government while people like me sat quiet on the sidelines.

There's plenty of space to rant over on Craigslist.

Hit the nail on the head there with that one Bob ;-}.

Brother, you've hit the proverbial nail squarely on its' head with your spot on accurate observation about Ms. Naome's behavior. My specialty isn't in psychiatry, however I can clearly spot a case of obsessive - compulsive behavior disorder when I see it. Hopefully with the love and strength from her family, an effective psychiatric team treatment plan along with the use of enhanced psychotropic drugs, she can once again regain a foothold in reality and a sense of civility towards her fellow citizens. They say 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste' so it's incumbent upon us all that we lend Ms. Naome all of our support in her effort to rejoin our civil society that's solidly grounded in reality. We all then can shot from our rooftops: "Welcome back, welcome back Ms. Naome, welcome back from the twilight zone.

"My specialty isn't in psychiatry..."

And yet, you feel free to dispense advice on a topic that you're admittedly unqualified to discuss in any depth? Do you know our man Jack?

You two have so much in common.

" Hopefully with...psychotropic drugs, she can once again regain a foothold in reality and a sense of civility towards her fellow citizens."

It is my belief that only psychotropic drugs could explain the confusion between the "math" offered here, and reality.

Actually RS, you've confused OCD with GFY.
It's a common problem, for the elderly.

Actually Naome, I know your exact age and I can for the record honestly state that you are more than a few years older than me. Please don't take my observations personally as they are as I said only observations. In fact I delight in reading the plentiful array of diatribes you so often find yourself engaged in here on the Patch. Maine has Stephen King and and TLC Patch has you; Embrace the madness. Have you ever stopped and pondered as to why you so frequently find yourself negatively engaged with so many other members?

"Have you ever stopped and pondered as to why you so frequently find yourself negatively engaged with so many other members?"

I think it has something to do with math, lack of math or false presentation of math.
I could be wrong - it might have something to do with contempt for posers:

How is it that the least competent assume they are the most competent?

Answer: their perspective is entirely relative to themselves, and they have made no attempt to overcome this and see the world from a quasi-objective view, the same one that science, history, philosophy et al can give to us — if we’re smart enough to perceive it.

Smart people are aware of how small they are.

Dumb people are unaware of how small a role they play in life, and so tend to overstate that role, because they’re aware of nothing beyond themselves.

FYI - I'm not one to make claims of my superiority, or the supremacy of my views -
I'm just no longer tolerant of what amounts to gasbags carrying on, whinging about how we're circling the drain, or whatever the latest hysterical talking point is that's pushed by the Conservative Entertainment complex.

I'm sure it would horrify many of the regular posters to know how many genuinely conservative views I hold. The trouble is this; what's touted here as a conservative viewpoint is almost always reactionary and provoked by Obama in the White House.

Huntsman 2016

Only 64 to go!

"With 69...under her belt..."
Well, yeah - is there any other way?

"Just because the Government does not include Food and Energy in the index, does not mean it is not happening.."

"The Fed uses the Core CPI, Which is the number you hear about."

Which is it, the US Government or the Federal Reserve?
You do know that the Federal reserve is independent of the US Government, right?

The Federal Reserve is a private institution - "...there is no agency of the Federal Government that can overrule actions that we take." - Alan Greenspan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3mEe8TH7w (@ 7:54 of the interview)

They're Federal the way FedEx is Federal - in name only.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-09/wall_street/31040431_1_interest-rates-big-banks-member-banks

"So believe your own lies. I prefer the truth of the scam."
Scam and Truth are mutually exclusive terms.
Do you own a dictionary?

The depth and breadth of your knowledge is staggering, really -
in a sort of "your beer stein is half-full" way.

The point of the CPI is that it weights the things people spend most of their money on - rent or a mortgage. If milk doubles in price in two years, but I only buy a gallon per month, it has little impact on my household.

Again, the Motley Fool investors make the notion plain - what matters most
are the greatest single line items, and hence the weighting of measures.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/03/13/the-cpi-is-a-conspiracy-or-maybe-you-just-dont-un.aspx

"It is a shame you have such hate toward half the people that did not vote for your diety and your distain freedom of speech unless it is your only your own."

Actually it's disdain for YOU, Jack.

"Like my other stalkers who seem to get thrill up their leg by attempts to goad me into nonsensicle and meaningless post."

You seem to manage plenty of that sort of submission, without provocation.
(Or citation, or consultation, or consideration, yadda-yadda.)

"Conversly, keeping the Fed rate next to zero and interest rates next to nothing, hides the facts of inflation and is why hyper inflation could suddenly appear out of no where." Your qualifications to make this projection being, what exactly?

Like I said, do you write fiction for the preppers or Armageddon groupies?
You make a huge SWAG like that, and expect it to go unchallenged.

"You may also read all of this at the "BLS.gov", but it is much easier to have it summerized." Umm.... no. Perhaps you could point to the passage you feel does?

I doubt that, very much but WTF - G'Head genius.

"All you have shown on this article is that you cannot debate anything."
You mean, all those pesky facts with citations don't count as debate?

What does debate mean to you, Jack? Laying out an impenetrable layer of
drivel culled from anonymous email sources and "truthiness"?

That takes a brass pair of clank and a cast iron skull.

Right - the boffins at MIT and the BLS haven't got a clue.

You'll set us straight, Joe? That secret decoder ring must have arrived.
How many boxtops did that set you back?

" Our system of Government is the best the world has ever known."

Many forms of Gov­ern­ment have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pre­tends that democ­racy is per­fect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democ­racy is the worst form of Gov­ern­ment except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…

- Churchill said it (House of Com­mons, 11 Novem­ber 1947)

"I'm surprised you know who Churchill is."
Was - I watched "The King's Speech" that tells me all we need know, right?

"Some say your a communist infiltrator."
Some say you're a Skinhead that forgot to get a haircut.

"I say your just uninformed."
I say you haven't got the brains God gave a donut.

"We are a Democratic Republic. We elect Representatives ."
Thank you for the civics lesson, I did attend third grade.

"Study history and leave the liberal left blogs alone."
Here's where you claim a superior World view, right?

"You can get on the right path with a little education."
As you so frequently illustrate, a little education is a dangerous thing, it teaches you enough to talk your way into trouble, not enough to find a way out.

I'm pleasantly surprised that you would engage anonymous posters.

When will you guess my IP address?

Did I miss something or are the socialists and unions gone? I thought I read something around here about the left winning some election thingy.

Interesting, Mike. The quote you typed was a revision of a German intellectual's lament for his inaction when the Nazi Party came to power. However, Nazi is short for National Socialist Democratic Party. The Nazis supported State Socialism, or a high degree of public ownership within the state.

Since you evidently see some commonality between Nazism and a certain U.S. political party, lets, for a little balance, review what else the Nazi's stood for. They were, in general, anti-semetic and anti-christian (Which party took 'God' out of their original platform?). They advocated for National health care and public-owned business (Obamacare and GM). They advocated for increased education, controlled education top-down, and indoctrinated students (NEA). They were not free speech advocates (Which party has attempted to censor radio and TV they don't like? Are you cognizant of how little freedom of speech exists on college campuses these days?) They demonized by race and class and set people against each other for their own political gain (See the last election).

Bottom line: The Nazi leadership was evil. Just because some of their policies may be adopted by either or all parties today does not, in turn, make them Nazis. Trying to tar or demonize any political party this way is self-serving and irresponsible.

Yea Ted, it was an election a few 100,000 evidently and foolishly forgot to vote in. Oh well those who do not speak out are not heard as they say ;-}.

I have actually read Mein Kampf, and in the author's own words, he is clearly a history buff trying to restore Germany to what he sees as it's former glory. He blames very specific groups of people, has a lot of negative things to say about unions (conservative), but is not enamored with the aristocracy, either. The only group of individuals that he admired were "true Germans," but the only true Germans he actually referenced was his history teacher growing up and fallen commanders from earlier German conflicts such as the Franco-Prussian war. He even had snide remarks for his fellow soldiers in World War I. Summarized, there is nothing remotely progressive about his views on other human beings. This kind of fantasyland is remarkably conservative. I saw so many elements of the modern Republican Party in that book. I'm not going to say that Republicans are fascists, because that's hyperbole, but I just wanted to interject some actual facts from the most notorious fascist villain, Hitler. If we are going to be bandying about the name of our most famous criminal, shouldn't we use facts?"

"Oh well those who do not speak out are not heard as they say ;-}."

If only...
http://newport.patch.com/users/no-regr-allia-b

"The Nazis supported State Socialism, or a high degree of public ownership within the state. " Um... no. The Nazis ran a totalitarian state. Fascism.

Fascism and Nazism are dictatorships with brutal, racist, nationalistic, world-dominating tendencies. Socialism in its fundamental form means community ownership. Socialism is practiced to varying degrees throughout the world, including the United States. When you visit the post office or pull your mail out of the mailbox, you are participating in a type of socialism. Most people seem to consider socialism harmless, and often beneficial (for example, when your house is on fire). Unless your a Fox Geezer, of course - then Socialism is vile, unless you happen to be visiting your Medicare doctor.

Much as it's only 'socialist' when someone else cashes the government check,
it's not 'fascist' when 'real Americans' do it under the Tea Party banner, with the GOP backstage.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's a duck.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/

Spare us the misdirection, N(ew KK)K_Voter, you won't get a pass any longer.

FYI - You won't see Liberals embracing Nazi values, any time soon.
Which party has, and continues to court constituents openly embracing same?

(It's not the Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, etc.)
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/bryan-fischer
http://tinyurl.com/4ywa5es

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpOZ5vYtFR8

EXCELLENT find Marina: That would explain how Democrats did so well in the places where they needed to do well. Very Sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2piQspqVTh0&feature=fvwrel
E-voting machine swaps Obama vote for Romney; taken offline
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233311/E_voting_machine_swaps_Obama_vote_for_Romney_taken_offline

"That would explain how Democrats did so well in the places where they needed to do well." You mean, the volunteers that registered voters, knocked on doors to remind people of the issues and encouraged people to turn out in tightly contested areas (where the turn out was high) were not a factor?

You mean - if the GOP couldn't convince the electorate (that they had spent the previous two years alienating) to vote for Romney - the fix was in?

You mean - there's a CONSPIRACY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

And so, it begins...

J. Lane McMahon

4:31 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

frank,
the right will be here in droves for the next 4 years claiming everything from "secretly a Muslim" to "Agenda 21".......

Socialization of Venezuelan economy hinders recovery of private sector

According to the Venezuelan Council of Industry (Conindustria), the domestic market requires an investment-friendly climate

http://www.eluniversal.com/2010/09/24/en_eco_esp_socialization-of-ven_24A4512573.shtml

Congratulations, you can cut and paste.
Your point, Joe?

Are you moving?
Can we help you pack?

" After ALL her POSTS..Naome hasn't Made Her Point....So the Blather continues....."

FYI - I'm not one to make claims of my superiority, or the supremacy of my views -
I'm just no longer tolerant of what amounts to gasbags carrying on, whinging about how we're circling the drain, or whatever the latest hysterical talking point is that's pushed by the Conservative Entertainment complex.

I'll say it again, if you come into a public forum like this one and attempt to spread another layer of crap on the mound, I'm likely to open a window.

"After ALL her POSTS..Naome hasn't Made Her Point....So the Blather continues..."
It's an echo chamber here, as in most opinion pages dominated by conservatives.

It's not a debate, it's an encounter group.

Actually John with all due respect I disagree with your assessment of the value of Naome's contributions on the many topics she's contributed her opinion on. Even though I frequently find myself at odds with Naome's opinions she does indeed contribute lots of useful and accurate information on a multitude of topics. What makes Americans unique is their ability to agree to disagree. I'd be a liar if I said, like some have, that Naome's opinions aren't needed here because they are. Why....... because they make us think about the legitimacy of our own beliefs. I also give Naome lot's of credit for holding her own especially when she's being tag teamed by upwards of four people. I don't agree with Naome 99.9% of the time however I do respect her fearless tenacity. Our Patch wouldn't be the same lively place without people like Naome.

Joe:

There are overt insults and there are passive-aggressive insults. It is my observation that Naome engages in the former and you engage in the latter. Saying that Naome "calls people ignorant because they don't buy the idea of more Socialism" is a passive-aggressive insult because it presupposes that Naome is advocating Socialism. That's not true; those are your unkind words and they are an insult just as much as when she calls you a "Fascist nozzle".

The reason why Naome and others have such a strong reaction to you is that you couch your insults in what you consider to be civil discourse. The problem is that your words and the incorrect assumptions are just as insulting as anything Naome writes. Your passive-agressive comments are not civil and they're not honest.

Please stop deluding yourself.

@Rio Sakonnet: I could not agree more.

"It's the insults that turn people off."

Joe Sousa
10:05 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
Tivertontaxpayer1 gets his opinion from Rachel Mad cow we have to expect this type of behavior .

Joe Sousa.
3:47 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Pull the tea bag off your head and take a good look.

Joe Sousa.
10:21 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
You are so far below me I can scratch my toes and your head at the same time.

Joe Sousa.
5:43 am on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Far to many O Zombies on this site spouting their liberal propaganda.

Joe Sousa.
5:56 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
The human capacity for self-delusion truly is remarkable. Most people out there end up believing exactly what they want to believe even when the truth is staring them right in the face.

Tell ya what, Skippy - you stop calling those who disagree with your John Birch
view of the world from your bunker "Socialist" or point the way out of "your country"
and we'll lay off...

Your record here doesn't entitle you to whine about rough handling.
You've earned it.

"... they don't buy the idea of more Socialism."

We know you don't like Socialism - but your definition seems fluid.
You do understand that nearly every public service qualifies as Socialist?

What's insulting is when a half-baked idea is touted and shouted as sacrosanct.
Take off the Jack Boots, Jethro and take down the banners - you're American.

Fascists aren't welcome, here.
http://tinyurl.com/cdxnoen

"In celebration of this horribly derailed thread reaching 300 posts:" Take some of the credit Naome, more than a quarter (75+ posts) are yours.